Why Not One Law For Everyone? (by Derek Leman)

Why Not one Law for everyone by Derk LemanDerek Leman, a messianic rabbi from Atlanta, GA in this guest post for Jewish Studies for Christians deals with an issue of whether or not Jews and Gentiles are bound by the same commandments. While there are other well-argued opinions, I am happy to present his post to you for your careful consideration and engagement. (You are cordially invited to visit one of his blogs “Messianic Jewish Musings” of this talented and prolific author. To do so, please, click HERE).

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Whose commandments are they? That is, for whom were they laid down as stipulations? Does that still matter or did something change, such as God issuing a new covenant that made the original commandments a law for everyone? Or did a new people come to God who were then transformed in some way, made to have the same relationship to God as this first people, the Jewish people?

The logic of “one law” or of the divine obligation of all people of faith in Messiah to the same laws as those given to Israel is usually based on one of a handful of arguments. Aren’t non-Jews grafted into the Jewish tree through Messiah and if so, doesn’t this eliminate the Jewish-Gentile differentiation? If a commandment is holy, then isn’t it unholy not to follow it? Since the Torah is the only ordered list of God’s requirements, it has to be for everyone, because God nowhere gives a “law for the Gentiles,” right?

People often base their opinion about the commandments on their experience and not on the Bible. I am not against the importance of our personal experience with God. It’s just that experience can be misinterpreted. It seems to be far better if we interpret our experiences with reference to the great ideas that are in the Bible and find answers which bring together Bible and experience.

So, for example, a Christian may experience a deep awakening upon discovering the joys of Passover and Sabbath and the rhythm of the Torah calendar. Likewise, eating a restricted diet can feel like intensifying holiness. And the whole experience of becoming a Torah-observer may feel like getting very close to God. Then, when encountering Jewish beliefs about Torah — that Torah is a covenant between Israel and God, not between the nations and God — such a person might feel as if they are being denied membership in an exclusive club.

I would like to explain why, in simple terms, God’s way is not one law for everyone, and suggest a middle path for non-Jews who want to have a closer relationship with Israel’s Torah.

First, it would be helpful if people would go back to the giving of the Torah from Sinai in Exodus 19. Would Jewish people be asking too much if we say, “Please keep in mind the importance of this event as something special between us and God?” When you read Exodus 19, can you not see God is making a covenant with the Jewish people? Yes, there are clever work-arounds such as “Gentiles were there too in the form of the mixed multitude.” But those tortured arguments look like a way to deny the simple truth: Torah was given as a covenant to Israel. The commandments are the stipulations of the covenant.

Second, what is in the Torah? Do people who want to read it as “one law for everyone” actually take into account what is actually contained in it? Many things in Torah no longer apply to anyone today, Jewish or non-Jewish. Do you need laws about how to treat your slave? Have you seriously entertained the idea of taking a war-bride after giving her a month to mourn her father? Were you considering stoning your rebellious teenager? Reading the Torah calls for some maturity in reading, some willingness to learn history, to see the difference between the ideal in Torah and the time-bound social and civil legislation it contained for an ancient nation in a barbaric world.

Third, when people talk about how they are “Torah-observant” or say that they “keep the commandments,” they mean only a handful of them. What they are really talking about is the observances given to Israel which the church has not made part of its practice: Sabbath, dietary law, circumcision on the eighth day, tassels on one’s garment, and festivals. There is no Temple anymore, so the laws about offerings and giving the tithe to the priests cannot really apply. But these few commandments that differentiate Israel from the nations — which can be referred to as the sign commandments, since they are signs of Israel’s uniqueness — are a cause for controversy. It may help (or maybe not) to point out that the Sabbath is specifically said to be such a sign: “Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations” (Exod 31:13). When God said this, it is clear the “you” was Israel, and Israel’s generations are still very much alive today.

Fourth, it is possible — and I try to get people to see this — that what is holy and required for one person is not holy and required of all people. One person — a priest in Israel — may not be able to attend a burial or walk in a graveyard. If the whole world follows the “one law” principle, none of our dead will ever be buried. One person — someone under a Nazirite vow — must avoid wine and even grapes and raisins. If the all-commandments-apply-universally notion is followed, well, we will all miss out on some great Cabernet and the joy of raisins in our oatmeal. Likewise, it is possible that Sabbath is a holy sign of Jewishness (just like Exodus says) and that it is not holy for Gentiles. It may be that Israel’s diet was restricted and this marked them as a different people in the ancient world, but that there is no reason why pork is inherently unclean — just as Genesis 9:3 suggests.

Fifth, it is fairly easy to see — but clever and specious arguments are used to avoid seeing what is obvious — that the apostles believed Jews in Messiah should keep all the commandments but that the Gentiles did not need to “keep the law of Moses.” They did not mean by this that Gentiles in Messiah were free to steal and murder. “Law of Moses” means the covenant stipulations from Sinai as a total system. It is clear in reading Paul that he taught his Gentile adherents they were not bound by diets and days and the use of flint knives to remove a foreskin. To many people, this makes Paul seem problematic, anti-Torah. Did it occur to anyone he was being a good Jew and interpreting Torah according to its true sense?

Sixth, it is also fairly easy to see that the church went too far in distancing itself from Torah and the Jewish people. Christian theologians regularly write about this and recovering the Jewishness of Christianity is standard form today in many circles. Yes, plenty of Christians remain oblivious to what the theologians and historians within Christianity are saying about Jewish roots, but the church has definitely turned a corner. It is possible now to argue that Christians practice a form of Judaism and to point this out entirely from Christian thinkers and scholars.

Seventh, it is often overlooked that Christians keep most of what is in Torah, at least what I call the ideals of Torah. Love God and neighbor is the ideal center of Torah. It is expressed in ways we treat the powerless, honor one another, serve those in need, form community, and repair the world. Christians have always been very involved in love and service and good works.

Eighth and finally, there is a middle way for people who want to keep some of Israel’s Torah without those same people denying Israel’s unique relationship to God. It is not necessary to say, “I am grafted into Israel’s tree and so I am virtually an Israelite now.” It is not necessary to say, “All the commandments are holy for everyone and there are no distinctions.” It is possible instead to adopt the philosophy of one of the earliest writings of the Yeshua-movement, the Didache (pronounced deed-ah-KHAY). The Didache came out of the first century Messianic Jewish movement and a few decades after Paul died, the Didache argued that Gentiles could keep Torah. It is possible to see that in Paul’s time this could have been dangerous, it could have rendered Messiah null and void. But after many Gentiles came in, it was possible some of them would want to live close to Jewish communities and worship with them.

So in the Didache, Gentiles were encouraged to “keep as much Torah as they are able” and to live in fellowship with Jewish disciples. The audience of the Didache, then, were Messianic Gentiles — as we often call people today who are in Messianic congregations or, even if not members of a Messianic congregation, live a Messianic Jewish lifestyle and maintain friendships with Messianic Jews. And the Didache does not encourage these Gentiles to simply act as if they are Jewish. Some distinctions remain.

So, for example, in Messianic Judaism today, Gentiles have a welcome place. The best practices of Torah will include making distinctions without discrimination. It is possible to distinguish and not discriminate.

And it is not necessary that Gentiles who choose this middle way should claim that all Christians must do the same. Living as a “Messianic Gentile” (or just as a “Messianic”) does not make a person holier. It is one way and God has many ways for people. The most important commandments are not Sabbath and dietary law anyway. To over-exalt these is to practice a form of cheap self-righteousness.

Jewishness is not a privilege. It is a responsibility. Jewishness is not a status of higher blessing. It is a calling to be a distinguishable people and to pass on that identity to children and children’s children forever. Gentiles who love the Torah should not try to erase Jewish distinction, to render Jewishness inert, to say all Messiah-followers are essentially Jews.

It does matter whose commandments they are. And the ideals of Torah apply to everyone even if some of the specifics are about Israel’s peoplehood. One law for everyone fails to read Torah according to its own distinctions. Being grafted in is a way of explaining how Gentiles come into the blessings of the Abrahamic covenant, one given long before Sinai and which included Gentiles from the beginning (Gen 12:1-3). God did not ever say, “I now take the commandments given to Israel and make them apply to all of Messiah’s people.” But Paul did show his Gentile adherents how they could derive from the Torah what was required of them. And like Abraham (Gen 26:5), it is possible to keep all of God’s statutes without having a specific law-code.

The Torah is not one law for everyone. But neither do we have to forbid people from keeping it. There is a middle way.

What do you think?


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  1. Randy Sandford

    The Torah of Moses is not BINDING upon anyone. If it was BINDING for Israel then they would also come under its curse. If it was BINDING for Israel then it would have to be 100% BINDING as it is written “if you break one part of the Law you have broken the WHOLE law. How many in the Jewish community had sacrificed a lamb this past Passover and eaten it? Ashkenazim don’t even eat lamb on Passover. If, as you said, what is holy for one may not be holy for another then the Torah of Moses (beside the moral code) can only be observed volitionally via the Ruach HaKodesh and without the fear of reprisal of the Law.

  2. Marcus Willis

    It took me a while to understand this because I felt that if we were all one family or community or congregation that it would only seem right that we would all have the same laws but I was never taught or given an understanding of what the Bible taught. But now that I have the full understanding I understand why it’s important for us to remain Gentiles or be identified with the Nations and for Jewish people to have and to keep their identity because it speaks to the power of the transformation of the Holy Spirit causing the Jewish people to come into fellowship with the Nations. God bless

  3. Dimitrios Dourmas

    As Jona from the belly of the whale,do I cry out, but silently from my heart. And as Job do I cry out, diseased and failing my test , wishing I could pass it. Amin. And Amin as Elijiah instructed us, and all of Judaism, and all Jewish people , and all Orthodox Judaism. From now on, to be very commonly known by every court system in every country, and all societies. To be the religion to practice honesty, righteousness and the religion of making amends. So if any Judaist, and Judaism members that would violate , any laws must turn themselves into the court system on their own accord, and confess the truth before the judge and accept punishment. Even if stealing one chocolate bar. Will turn yourself into the court system on your own accord and confess it to the judge and accept punishment. For one white lie , accumulates to one hundred white lies. And Jewish people will always be very well known by the court systems of every country to turn themselves in on their own accord if breaking even the smallest laws. Because they are Jewish. As Lot , and Elijah invoked the Righteous Spirit and the Righteous Spirit agreed and energized. And the Judaism religion does not practice this, and was never known to do this . Amin, the Righteous Spirit agrees and is pleased.

    Questions, please beesseeching answers from a most venerable Rabbi.

    Was our ancestors Adam and Eve Hebrew? Did they speak Hebrew in the garden of Eden? Did God create Adam and Eve as Hebrew persons speaking Hebrew in the garden of Eden? Is the whole world of Hebrew decent? Is all of mankind’s ancesteral roots Hebrew?

    Was Jesus Christ the off spring of King David ? Was the Virgin Mary the off spring of King David? Jesus Christ son of King David in the New Testament and Hebrew royalty in high standing. Virgin Mary, daughter of King David and hebrew royalty in high standing.

    Hebrew people would state the son of King David inherited his spirituality , but got confused and he thinks he us also the son of God., But he is the son of King David and Hebrew royalty in high standing none the less. And Mary his mother is the daughter of King David from the seed of King David. And Hebrew royalty in high standing none the less. And would be very well known in Israel and and to all Israeli people. Pontius Pilate would have him put to trial and possibly crucified just for being the offspring of King David alone, and Mary aswell. Pontius Pilate in the New Testament would state that Jesus Christ is the son of King David, and Mary is the daughter of King David at the crusifiction of Jesus. Geneology of Jesus is in first page of the book of Mathew in the New Testament. Contradicting scriptures .

    But Pontius Pilate did not state to Jesus that he is the son of King David as he was suppose to, at the crusifiction of Jesus, son of David and King of the Jews none the less???

    Venerable greetings Rabbi, and to all Judaism practicioners.

    Can please help answer these questions?

    Forever gratefully thankfull.



  5. Diane

    In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus explains that the Law has not and will not pass away until all is accomplished. I think we all agree with that. In fact, in verse 19, He goes on to explain that, “Whoever annuls one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven…” which then begs the question, are we teaching Gentiles to not keep the commandments?

    And then how do we explain away verse 20? Are we saying that Jesus was only addressing the Jews and not Gentile believers that would follow in the faith soon after? Should Gentiles then ignore Jesus’ teachings in Matthew? How far do we go here? How separate and divided do we want the new body of Christ to be?

    Then what do we do with Ephesians 2:15? It says that “by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man…” the two into one new man… (16) and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross…” …through the cross!…and the remaining verses seal the two together as one new person — why then do we want to continually separate Jews from Gentiles? Once we are believers, we both have lost our old identity as Jew or Gentile and have a new identity in Jesus. Shaul said he is more Jewish than anyone but counts it as dung in comparison to the new life/identity he has in Jesus.

    In Galatians 3:23-29, Shaul explains that “the law has become our tutur to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are ALL sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” And he continues by saying, “There is neither Jew nor Greek…”

    Is one made righteous — in right standing with GD — by practicing the law or by faith? Do we continue trying to justify our flesh by our flesh (by practicing the law) or by recognizing that we cannot ever be made right with GD through our flesh but rather through our reliance and belief on Jesus — His perfect work as He was the perfect sacrifice for our sins. It is faith in Jesus’ work that gives us new life–and it is the brotherhood of faith that makes us one in Him. It is time to let go of the old self-righteous identities and become one new man — not two — in Jesus.

    1. Stan Feldsine

      You said, “In Matthew 5:17-20, Jesus explains that the Law has not and will not pass away until all is accomplished. I think we all agree with that. In fact, in verse 19, He goes on to explain that, “Whoever annuls one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven…” which then begs the question, are we teaching Gentiles to not keep the commandments?”

      The question is, has all been accomplished? One could certainly argue that it has based on the finished atoning work of Christ. The verses say that the law will not be changed until that happens, not a jot or tittle. But certainly we can all agree that the law has indeed changed, aside from the change to the tribe of the High Priest, Jesus, the entire sacrificial system has been done away with by the one time sacrifice of Christ. A lot more than a jot and tittle has changed.

      This passage cannot be used to support a continued rule of the Law of Moses.

    2. Randy Sandford

      You are right, Diane. Derek has been floating “Torah observance” for years. And as I have observed for over 40 years it does not produce good fruit. Many, if not most, “Torah observant” Jewish and Gentile believers who continue to go in this direction fall away from Messiah.

  6. MK

    I guess in all your studies, you missed the part where the sabbath was before Sinai. Maybe study a little more before misleading the masses.

  7. Todd Maloney

    It appears that everyone missed Romans 2:28-29. Romans 2:28-29 28 For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. 29 On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter.

  8. Brad Thompson

    We are indebted to the Jew for they have kept God’s Word. If it wasn’t for God’s Word we would not be able to determine what is right and wrong. I’m not a Jew, but believe in keeping the Sabbath and eating kosher, but have no inclination to keep Jewish Holy Days; Although there are lessons to be learned from them; I’m Goyim yet A Believer Praise GD

  9. Dr. Stefano Giliberti

    1)In Acts 21:17-26 the apostles – after the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:1-29) – suggested Paul to join four men in their purification rites, in order to show that Paul himself was living in obedience to the law of Moses. It is not circumcision in itself which was not compelling, but circumcision as a means of salvation: Paul circumcised Timothy some time later the Council (Acts 16:3).
    2)Dietary law (Leviticus 11) is based on the distinction between the clean and the unclean, a distinction which was in force long before Sinai (Genesis 7:1-3).
    3)The holiness of Sabbath was established long before Sinai, at the very beginning of human history, immediately after the end of the Lord’s creation work (Genesis 2:1-3). Furthermore, Sabbath keeping would have been compelling for all believers after Jesus resurrection (“Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath”: Matthew 24:20). Anyway, the Sabbath will be kept by all mankind on the new earth that the Lord will make, i.e. in the new creation (Isaiah 66:22-23). The Sabbath is the center of “the ideals of Torah” (“love God, and neighbor as oneself”), as expressed in the ten commandments (Exodus 20:2-17; Deuteronomy 5: 6-21) written by the Lord Himself (Exodus 31: 18). The Sabbath keeping is binding for all foreigners who bind themselves to the Lord (Isaiah 56:3-7). The church went really too far in changing what the Lord Himself had written, arbitrarily eliminating the 2nd commandment as well as the keeping of Sabbath (4th commandment) – by replacing it with the keeping of Sunday – and dividing in two the 10th commandment…
    4)Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel, i.e. not all who are Abraham’s descendants (natural children) are Abraham’s offspring (Abraham’s children) – and thus the Lord’s children – but only those who have the same faith of Abraham (Romans 4:16; 9: 6-9). All Israel will be saved: Israel according to the flesh and Israel according to the faith (Romans 11, in particular Romans 11: 25-27).

    1. Cathy Arvin

      Dr. Stefano,
      Thank you so much for your response. You said it eloquently!!
      I have been looking at the heart of the believer (how can we tell if it is circumcised? Yeshua said it best, “If you Love Me, keep my commandments!” In Torah the Lord says that He blesses those who Love Him and Keep His Commandments!
      Thanks again! Great explanation.

      1. Dr. Stefano Giliberti

        Dear Cathy,

        thank you very much for your appreciation!
        It is possible to establish the following equation of true Love, which in a conflictual context like ours sounds:
        aiming at establishing the harmony, as expressed by the equation of love in a harmonious context, i.e.:


    2. Brad Thompson

      The idea of having a moral code from an All Powerful God that is greater than us has been around since the beginning; before “The Exodus.” In the 2nd Temple Period Isreal turned inward and created a fence around God’s Law to ensure Isreal would keep God’s Law; all understandable. However, God’s Moral Law, I believe, applies to all people.

    3. Randy Sandford

      When Yeshua spoke of keeping “My commandments” He was referring to the moral aspect of the Torah. He never appended the ceremonial parts of the Law as binding or as part of the Gospel of the Kingdom only as a sign to the Pharisees.

  10. Cathy Arvin

    Matthew 7:21 – He who does the will of my Father who is in heaven will enter. Fruit is manifestation of the Spirit. If you cannot tell or are not sure and the person professes to be in Messiah, teach Him the Truth (Torah) as Messiah and the apostles taught Torah. Don’t think to much, remember we enter the kingdom as little children. It is simple

  11. gustavo vargas angel

    You have reason, we must walk in truth, but no as is teached in these days, but as Moses wrote and Jesus explained: According the idea of the Lord of the Armies, in this way, you shall do the right to HIS EYES and your soul will be granted in heavens, praising and serving HIM for ever and ever. (At least, that is my belief). Shalom ¡

  12. Cathy Arvin

    I would suggest teaching Torah to all who claim to be in Messiah, because those who are, they are citizens of Israel Eph 2. You will know them by their fruits, is what we are told. The Spirit and G-d will determine who is and who isn’t one who belongs, that is not our job, that is G-d’s job. Ours is to walk as He walked, in Truth (Torah). Shalom

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Cathy,

      I’m confused. Do you know who is in Messiah (by their fruits), or do you not know who is in Messiah (that’s God’s job)? Which is it? Doesn’t walking as Christ walked mean, among other things, that we should bear all things, believe all things, hope all things, and endure all things? See 1 Corinthians 13:7. Grace to you.


  13. gustavo vargas angel

    Cathy Arvin, shalom¡
    Please, I am so moron as to understand your last phrase”Those who are not in Messiah…”so, I ask an enlightment from you, may be I can understand and help(but, repeat, help me before). Best for you.

  14. Cathy Arvin

    Who is a gentile once they come into faith in the Messiah? (Eph. 2) No longer Jew or Greek, all now one Israel (Gal 3:28). Acts” for how new converts need to behave so they can fellowship with the saints, they will learn the rest as Moses is taught every Sabbath. Those who are not in Messiah who do not sojourn among the righteous aren’t talked to.

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Cathy,

      How do you truly know if someone is or is not in Messiah? Many people profess faith in Jesus Christ. How do you know who is and isn’t Christian. “The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.” John 3:8. Shalom.

  15. gustavo vargas angel

    Bill and Ian: Respectfully, I come to “put my spoon in your soup”: I think both of you should be looking for the Holy Spirit of the Lord coming to your souls and not be arguing about a law more or a law less, that were made by men trying to get God to the measure of each one, and not trying to get the measure who the Lord is wishing from us. Shalom

  16. gustavo vargas angel

    Ramon Antonio,
    I realize that my responses were not very kind for you, please, forgive me if I offended you in any way; sorrowfully, I did not can delete the wrote once published. Peace with you.

  17. Bill Gaffney


    The four rules are the Noahide Covenant. This is from the Council of Jerusalem where the argument started with some legalists trying to have the gentiles circumcise themselves.

    Verse 29 reemphasizes the Noahide Covenant.

  18. Ian

    In Galatians one especially needs to determine what law is Paul referring to in this epistle. Is it the Torah or is it works of legalism. Because the Torah (God’s Instructions for life) is written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit and we obey it out of love for God as we are already saved. However, works of legalism are when we strive for salvation

  19. Ian

    Comment to James on Acts 15:19-21
    The four rules do NOT refer to the Noah in any way but to ‘sacrificial sexual idolatry’ if one studies the word porniea which refers to cult prostitution Please read verse 21 so you do not follow ‘blink’ theology. This verse give the reason for the giving of the four rules if you study the connecting greek word ger

  20. James DeFrancisco

    Acts 15:19-20 hint at the laws of Noach for the Gentiles without the need for them to become Jewish converts while Acts 21:18-26 reinforce this while also showing that Jewish believer still keep the Torah as Jews. The issue in Galatians and Colossians unfortunately became confused later due to supersessionism and doctrines on law and grace.

  21. James DeFrancisco

    Dr. Eli, thank you for publishing this excellent article. Rabbi Leman’s 8 points are very important and have gained my attention because I have been focusing on this issue (Jew and Gentile believer’s) for several years. Unfortunately, much confusion has entered the conversation because of disputes over law and grace, supersessionism, etc.

  22. Brachah D'vora bat Avraham

    I will go and I will take something I can eat and share. Being mostly vegetarian makes it trickier but I’m sure I can prepare some things. I was unable to clear out the chametz from my house: it was everywhere and I have a large home, nor could I “sell” it because my husband is neither a Jew nor a Christian. I have just renounced it and avoided it

  23. Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg

    This is a test.

  24. Cathy Arvin

    Gustavo, May your heart always be so directed to please our G-d and do His will. I can’t help but smile when I read your comment. Cathy

  25. gustavo vargas angel

    D”Braja vora bat Avraham:
    I think,respectfully, that the most honouring Him is not to have a church breakfast, but to make HIS WILL, DO WHAT HE SAID TO DO,FORGIVE YOUR OFFENDERS, LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR STRENGH,SOUL AND MIND. If I am wrong, please, make know, so I could make right way way to think. Best for you.

  26. Brachah D'vora bat Avraham

    If you are observing Pesach, it extends until Tuesday evening. Are you keeping with the fast from leavening on Easter or are you ending it since Christ by His Resurrection has caused death to pass over us and Easter is a feast day? I’m going to a church breakfast on Easter and I’ve been eating Matzah all week. What is most honouring to Him?

    1. Cathy Arvin

      Brachah D’vora, Yes we keep it all the way through with no leaven. All leaven has been removed from the house and come Thursday I will go shopping to purchase some leaven items to bring back into the house, so I can bake on occasion. When we meet with those who don’t keep we usually bring a little something for ourselves that is unleavened. Cathy

  27. Cathy Arvin

    Gustavo, you have a great Pesach as well. What a joyful time. 🙂

  28. gustavo vargas angel

    Have a very nice Pesach¡

  29. Cathy Arvin

    Gustavo, You have spoken correctly. It is unfortunate that so many people today who say they believe in G-d, do the same thing. In Messiah Yeshua, Cathy

  30. gustavo vargas angel

    Cathy: Thanks by correction, “we will listen what You wish we do, but we will do all we want to do” they should have said. And he love of the Lord forgives one and again, and again. How patience¡
    Best for you, shalom

  31. Cathy Arvin

    Gustavo, in ex 20:19 The people told Moses to speak (dabar) to them and they would listen (shama) which means to hear and do, obey all in the same word. When Moses retells it in Deut. he says, Deut. 5:27 (Moses) (you) go near and shama (hear)… & we will hear and do (Shama). Yes, they were afraid to hear the Lord Himself speak anymore. Shalom

  32. gustavo vargas angel

    As I can remember, about the quotation: “ear and do”, Israel said: “we do and ear”, because they were afraided with the rage of the Lord, so, Moses would be the speaker between the Lord and the childrens of Israel. Best for you.

  33. Cathy Arvin

    Well, I don’t see how I disagreed with you. Like I said he had the mind set of a certain sect of the Pharisees. However, He did not agree with everything and was very vocal on what He disagreed with them about.

  34. Bill Gaffney

    Actually Cathy many of Jesus’ teachings came from oral law. The written law allowed no exceptions. Yes there was oral law that was quite legalistic but that is not the majority of it.

  35. Cathy Arvin

    Forgot to say about the Pharisees and Yeshua’s thinking. I know He was in agreement with much and had the line of thinking of the Halell group if I remember correctly (would have to look that up again to be sure. But he did have his points that he disagreed with on them. Namely, you have heard it said, but I say to you. Oral vs. Written

  36. Cathy Arvin

    But people want to do what G-d says not to do. Add to or take away from. To fit what is comfortable for them. When we do that we distort the picture and you can no longer see the true meaning of it, or the beauty of it. We need to go back to taking G-d at His word, and just choosing to believe it and do it. Write me if you want to talk more.

  37. Bill Gaffney


    Who are the ones who are stiff necked?

    It might also surprise you to know Jesus was very Pharisaical in His teaching.

    1. Cathy Arvin

      The whole world is. But I was talking about believers, specifically Christians and Jewish. All seem to want to change the puzzle. I husband said the Scriptures and the Gospel (good news) is like a puzzle. Yeshua is the final piece that makes it all fit together. The Ruach is the glue so that we can see the whole picture as it should be.

  38. gustavo vargas angel

    Dr. Eli:
    My apologies by the lenght of my speech to Daniel, I only was trying to clarify my point, and all over, give glory to HASHEM BLESSED IS FOR EVER AND EVER. Thank you for your patience and very good will. Best for you, affectively,

  39. gustavo vargas angel

    Daniel: Con el exclusivo proposito de clarificar lo dicho, y cerrar aun por el momento nuestra conversacion, aclaro: debi decir “si no crees en las obras por la fe,(intervencion/guia divina/impulso irrefrenable de hacer algo), entonces Jesus aro en el mar”; eso, por una parte y por otra, las sanidades u obras hechas por el Altisimo son total y absolutamente diferentes de las hechas por el contendor, por cuanto las de este solo permanecen un tiempo relativamente corto(un mes, un año,etc.), en cambio las realizadas por el Señor de Señores, Principe de Paz, Refugio contra el turbion, QUEDAN PARA SIEMPRE, y de esto hay testimonio oral, no escrito, pues creo que nadie se ha ocupado en registrarlo, excepto el recuerdo de quien fue bendito con ello.Por otra parte, y sin animo de polemica, creo que te olvidas de algo: la Ley fue escrita por el Dedo de D-s con el fin de civilizar a un pueblo semi salvaje, no por tanta falta de instruccion sino por causa de la esclavitud violenta a que se vieron sometidos por Egipto y otros. En el desierto, el “yo” imperaba, por tal razon la Ley, y cuando la aprendieron, por voluntad o temor, vinieron los profetas a recordarsela al pueblo ya asentado, pero propenso a la idolatria y por supuesto a la desobediencia, causal de tantos destierros y donde ademas, adquirieron nuevas malas costumbres, lamentablemente, lo que de alguna manera impidio y sigue haciendolo, el que sean un pueblo santo para el Altisimo, “luz de las naciones” como era(o es) la intencion primera. De alguna manera, todos caemos en lo mismo. Un paso adelante, dos pasos atras. Lamentable, pero, aferremosnos como mejor podamos de la hebra de la tunica del Salvador, asi quizas El quiera levantarnos. Shalom aleichem, haverim.

  40. Snjezana Virag

    Scripture is indeed the best teacher for those who want to learn. Yet, there are those who uses Scripture for arguing but it is not fruitfull. Gospel of Jesus Christ, our Messiach Is all about relationshep with God and each other. We are totally dependent on God because if He does not reveal to us the right meaning we might fall into the trap of self arbitrary opinion…
    I would like to and my commenting with the sentence from 2 Tim. 16 – 17 “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching , rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness , that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work .”
    God bless,

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Snjezana Virag

      I would just like to end my comments by saying AMEN. Especially if you were referring to me. Shalom.

  41. Bill Gaffney

    In Ex when Israel is first camped they respond to God by saying “we will do and we will hear.”

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Bill,

      You first hear God’s instruction and then you do it. That they would invert that order (to do their own will) just goes to show how stiff necked they really were (we all are). The TORAH testifies to this:

      “Know, therefore, that the Lord your God is not giving you this good land to possess because of your righteousness, for you are a stubborn people. Remember and do not forget how you provoked the Lord your God to wrath in the wilderness. From the day you came out of the land of Egypt until you came to this place, you have been rebellious against the Lord. Deuteronomy 9:6.7.

      Words to live by. The OT shows how the obligations placed upon man by the Law leads to death, as depraved man (Jew and Gentile alike) can do neither right nor good under it because of the infirmity of his flesh. See Genesis 8:21; Jeremiah 17:9; Matthew 11:7. It is for this very reason (the infirmity of our flesh) that God is not pleased with our service, it by definition compelled.. See Romans 7:14.24; 8:6-9. Compare this with what is said in 1 Corinthians 9:2: “Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”. There is only one cheerful giver who joyfully fulfilled all the commandments of the LORD, and his name is Jesus Christ. He now lives in the believers heart and with him, God is well pleased. Shalom.

      1. Cathy Arvin

        Deu 5:27 ‘Go near and hear all that the LORD our God says; then speak to us all that the LORD our God speaks to you, and we will hear and do it.’
        The quote was hear first then do. The same word is used twice. Shama – Means to hear and do. Believers who believe that they do not have to follow G-d’s law or pick and choose what they will do……

        1. Cathy Arvin

          They are the ones who are stiff necked and seeking their own way rather than G-d’s. They also block the Spirit, and do not hear what the Lord is trying to tell them. Because they so want to do their own thing. Yeshua said the Torah and Prophets would not pass away until heaven and earth are gone. I believe they are still here. Shalom

  42. Brachah D'vora bat Avraham

    He has told us what He wants as regards our neighbour: Micah 6:8, Isaiah 58:6-8. We are to be instruments of His mercy in the world. He cares for us completely, soul AND body, and so we care for the soul AND body of our brothers and sisters. As regards Himself, He has told us to hear Him, keep His words and constantly meditate upon them, walking in them and teaching them, to have no other Gods and to look to Him alone for everything and to honour His Name (which involves more than we think).

    1. Daniel

      Shalom D’vorah,


  43. Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg

    Hi, guys! I will let this run for few more than and then we will close the comments on this post (common practice in blogging when discussions gets too long :-))

  44. gustavo vargas angel

    Daniel: De acuerdo a tu solicitud, y por cuanto no soy exactamente un 100% angloparlante, me explico en mi idioma nativo, que, segun veo es el tuyo tambien, salvo algunas inflexiones locales(por nacionalidad, seguramente, y con todo el respeto del mundo). He entendido de mis lecturas y de algunas(no todas) enseñanzas, que .1) El amor es el mas grande de los mandamientos; 2)Las obras del Espiritu son por Fe( por haber escuchado con esta) pues si no tienes Fe(en D-s y Jesus el Cristo) de nada sirve la obra, pues no dara fruto, que es el fin ultimo, para el esperado Reino por venir. Por consiguiente, si tienes Fe en que el Reino del Altisimo viene y el Gobierno del mismo sera ejercido por Jesus, junto con aquellos que sean llamados a esta gestion, y que los demas viviran en paz y armonia, no importando su color,tamaño, idioma,etc.,entonces Jesus aro en el mar(en todo caso esta parte no la creo ) por cuanto como antes dije, he visto sanados de enfermedades(yo mismo uno de ellos), he recibido testimonio de otros que fueron sanados, he sido provisto de pan en mi necesidad, al igual que otros y consolado en mi angustia; quiza un dia Adonay me permita ver una resucitacion (aun cuando considero no ser digno de aquello). Esto estimado amigo(mis disculpas por el abuso del calificativo), es mi rudimentario entender de las obras por la Fe en D-s Padre y en su Hijo Unigenito, mi Señor Jesus el Cristo quien vino a clarificar el sentido gravoso de la Ley impuesto por los sacerdotes de la epoca( y vigente en algunas doctrinas), enseñando con palabras simples la Ley que fue hecha para sabios y no sabios. Espero que te haya quedado mas clara la intencion del comentario previo. Bendiciones para ti y toda tu casa.

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Gustavo,

      Doy gracias a Dios por tus palabras hermano. Me sirvieron de aliento esta mañana. Tu teologia es acorde con la palabra de Dios. No se lo que significa lo de “Cristo aro en el mar,” pero no parece importar mucho. Creo en obras milagrosas de sanación y de otra indole por el Espiritu, pero no me dejo llevar por ellos ya que la palabra de Dios deja claro que estas cosas son falsificables y tampoco son lo que crea la verdadera fe. Vea Colosenses 2:8; 2 Tesalonicenses 2:9-12. El maligno puede copiar muchas obras milagrosas pero lo que nunca puede hacer, ni hara, es predicar la verdad: el evangelio correctamente al 100%. Vea Juan 8:44; 2 Tesalonicenses 2:9-12. Siempre introducira algun error o cambio sutil para restarle gloria a Dios y su Cristo.

      En el caso de esta página, veo que muchos consideran que Cristo nos salva PERO hay que someterse a la Ley de Moises para ser santo. Como si la salvación (particularmente la sanctificación) se tratará de una obra nuestra, (alguno incluso piensa que la fe es obra nuestra), apoyado por el Espiritu de Dios. Esto, si es su punto de vista, y lo parece ser, es falso. Vea Juan 17:17; 1 Tesalonicenses 4:9; 5:23; Hebreos 12:2. El Espiritu de Dios nos justifica, nos sanctifica, y nos glorifica en un plumazo y a lo largo de nuestras vidas crecemos en la verdad y obramos y andamos de acuerdo con ella. Vea Juan 6:63; Romanos 7:14-24; 8:13, 28-30. El llamamiento a hacer buenas obras según lo que estipula la ley es una trampa, ya que por la ley viene el pecado y la esclavitud a ello. Más la ley de Moises no manda en ningún momento predicar el evangelio (nuestro principal cometido) sino a fijarnos en lo carnal, lo visible, las reglas, las ordenanzas. Tales cosas no complacen a Dios, sino a los hombres, quienes los utilizan para su vanagloria y para distinguirse entre ellos. Vea Lucas 16:14-15; 1 Juan 2:15-16. (No digo que una interpretación acorde con el Espiritu de la ley no sea provechoso por que lo es, hablo de lo carnal y visible). Asi he visto muchos con una falsa humildad predicando un evangelio social donde lo que premia es eradicar la pobreza y el hambre en el mundo y traer la paz entre los hombres. Eso no es el cometido de un Cristiano. Compara 1 Tesalonicenses 5:2-3 con Colosenses 3:1-2.

      Esta teologia falsa, (Cristo + obras carnales de la ley = Salvación) lo veo en semilla en esta página y me entristece. Porque esa, en mi punto de vista, es la religion falsa (centrado en el hombre y sus obras), que únira a los hombres de la tierra y que vendra a dominar el mundo antes de que venga el Señor. Esto es lo que deduzco de 2 Tesalonicenses 2:11-12 y 1 Tesalonicenses 5:2-3 y otros versiculos. Casi todas las denominaciones Protestantes (en EEUU) estan infectados de alguna manera con esta visión de la soteriologia y volviendo a Roma. Un Cristo que no es capaz de salvar de principio a fin, sin la ayuda del hombre, no es un Cristo verdadero. Una teologia que no premia la evangelización debida (que habla de juicio y pecado) como el acto de amor más importante que puede realizar un hombre por Dios o otros hombres, no es una teologia verdadera. Perdoname por escribrirte una respuesta tan larga. Que gracia y paz te sean multiplicados en el conocimiento de nuestro Señor Jesucristo.

    2. Daniel

      Sorry for the length of my comment Dr. Eli. I really did not want to comment in Spanish but I felt I should. It’s harder for me to write concisely in Spanish. Forgive me.

  45. Bill Gaffney

    Matt 25: 34-45

    My ego is starting to become involved so I will end my comments with this last pseudo parable.

    Daniel, let’s say you and I have a mutual friend. You tell me he has 4 daughters. I say I don’t think that is correct. But you are insistent he has 4 daughters.

    I go ask him. He says he has one daughter and one son.

    When I give you that information you insist you are right.


    1. Luis R. Santos

      Hi Bill, It is good to find you online again. What was the blog we first ran across each other?

    2. Daniel


      As regards Matt 25: 34-45

      I assume you want me to understand that there is one interpretation for this parable and I believe you are right. Here it is:

      The righteous sheep exhorted their fellow brethren in Christ and preached the gospel to Christ’s sheep (which is what all the metaphors are about I was hungry (for the word), thirsty (for the word), stranger (needy Christian),, naked (afflicted by sin), prisoner (under the law/or afflicted by sin), sick (afflicted by sin), are about. Christ healed the sick, came to release the captives, preached the good news to the poor who were heavy laden and under the bondage of the law. He said his followers would do greater things than those (John 14:12) and they did because by preaching the word of God they did all Christ did physically, spiritually. In the end, the sheep don’t even know they have done anything for Christ and say when did we see you and do any of these things?.

      The goats, by contrast, proudly ask Christ when did we NOT see you and do all those things to you? See Matthew 25:44. You see the goats did all of what Christ lists but physically. They fed and clothed the homeless and the stranger, they did prison ministry, they went to visit the sick, all visible acts of compassion which (eternally) profit nothing (because they save no one) but rather are visible acts of piety that are highly esteemed among men. These are proud and self-righteous people who have not the spirit of Christ and who disobeyed the call to preach the gospel to the lost or exhort and edify Christians with a word (which are true acts of love done to the Son of God in the believer) because their ego got in the way. Shalom.

      1. Cathy Arvin

        Deeper then that really, Daniel. Not that one can’t see it that way as well. There is more then one level in interpreting and studying scripture. There is so much to see. In a way Bill is correct and in a way I am. Would like to discuss if you are interested. Peace in Messiah, Cathy

  46. Bill Gaffney


    You are more legalistic than 90% of Orthodox Jews.


    1. Daniel


      On this blog, Cathy insinuates that I am teaching lawlessness while you say I am a legalist. I don’ t know how either of you come to your conclusions.. Maybe you can show me a comment of mine on this page which suggests that I am a legalist? I haven’t been teaching the law; in fact, I have been teaching that we are not under the Law of Moses, but under the Law of Christ.. So please show me how I could possibly be considered a legalist. Shalom.

      1. Cathy Arvin

        We are no longer under the law of Sin and Death!!! When you speed and get a ticket, you are under the law by breaking it, the curse of the law. When you pay the ticket you aren’t all of a sudden no longer under the law, so now you can drive as you please. You still have to obey the law. Out of key strokes can’t finish thought.

        1. Cathy Arvin

          To try and finish. When Paul says we are no longer under the law, He is not talking about the Law of Liberty (G-d’s Torah) he is talking about the dogma of the Pharisees and the law of sin and death. We have a new Adam who when we die to the flesh, are reborn in the spirit, to live by the law of liberty. There is no freedom without the law.

          1. Cathy Arvin

            If there is no law, then there is no sin. No need to be saved by anything, no reason to try and be a light to the world. We cannot tell someone that they are headed to the wrong place without G-d because they are sinners, for if there is no law, there is no sin. Then Christ died needlessly. Again I am out of space. Email me and I will explain.

  47. Bill Gaffney

    Again Daniel, the Torah nor the commentaries nor practicing Jews teach about the law like you teach it. In fact they all teach 180 degrees opposite, as did Jesus.

    You are the one who doesn’t understand the message.


  48. Bill Gaffney


    My apologies. I didn’t understand you were asking about the passage from Is you posted. While it is potentially a Messianic prophecy it is also aimed at a fallen people. They have got so bad they can only understand one message at a time. They have withdrawn from God and from Torah.

    As for me not understanding, there is much I don’t understand. But I do understand that Jesus was Jewish. His Bible was the Tanach, specifically the Torah. He taught almost exclusively to the Jews, whom the law was God’s covenant with. He nor Paul never taught the covenant marked by the law was null and void.

    Unfortunately we have 1800 years of bad teaching about Torah and the law and you have picked the bad teaching right up.

    By the way saying Paul and Jesus only practiced the law around the Gentiles in order to teach them the word (my phraseology) make them both deceivers.


    1. Daniel


      I never said that Jesus only practiced the Torah around the Gentiles in order to teach them the word. That would be blaspheme because Christ my Saviour was sent into the world, in part, to perfectly obey the Law.

      I did say that Paul obeyed the Law for the benefit of others because he himself said so:

      “For though I am free from all, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win more of them. 20To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (though not being myself under the law) that I might win those under the law.”
      1 Corinthians 9:19-20.

      That’s pretty plain speech Bill. I can’t be any clearer than Paul. Paul also said: “All things are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful,” but not all things build up.” 1 Corinthians 10:23. I don’t think you could catch a single orthodox Jew saying that today, or then, could you?.

      My problem with what you have said so far, and what I have read on this page more generally, is that your cross is not offensive in the least. I hear it a lot in Protestant circles these days too. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, Christ died, BUT…we have to do good works and make the world a better place. There is no BUT and the world will not be a better place. That’s not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

    2. Daniel


      When you say there have been 1800 years of bad teaching of the TORAH, and the law you have made Jesus and Paul out to be liars. Christ said that the Spirit would guide the believers into ALL truth (John 16:13; as per Psalm 25:5), whereas Paul wrote that God had taught the believers how to love each other. See 1 Thessalonians 4:9. See also John 6:45. This is not to mention the fact that every believer is indwelt by the Holy Spirit which is the spirit of truth. See John 14:16-17. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Mormons (having the spirit of error) make the same claim you make. Are you sure you don’t want to correct that statement? Could you be wrong? Shalom.

      1. Cathy Arvin

        Not given many words to say anymore. Would like to continue these conversations with you I am on Yahoo. I am Jacobsdottir07 – the Icelandic way of saying Jacobs daughter. If you are interested in continuing this fun study – please contact me and let me know. In Messiah Yeshua, Shalom

  49. Bill Gaffney


    We tend to complicate things.

    When Jesus is asked, “What is the greatest commandment?'” you know his reply.

    One of the great Jewish sages was once challenged to teach all 613 commands (mitzvot) while standing on one foot. His reply (in my words,) “The 613 can be reduced to the 10 words (commandments,) which can be reduced to 2, “Love God, love your neighbor,” all the rest is commentary.””

    Study of the word is important, but without applying it to everyday life it is just empty.

    The 613 mitzvot are all about love.

    This is what James is saying. This is what Jesus said. This is what the Torah teaches.

    Be well,


    1. Daniel


      So James is encouraging us to build orphanages and provide for widows, is that it? Hmmm. That sounds positively Catholic. While it certainly is something we should do as a matter of course, it surely doesn’t sound like the principal thing a Christian should be doing with his time, does it? James does say that he is talking about what is pure and undefiled religion before God the Father, doesn’t he?. I think the natural man doesn’t need to have the Spirit to figure that verse out then. Everybody can agree that buidling orphanages and helping widows is a good thing and surely everybody likes people who build orphanages and help widows. Those activities are highly esteemed among men. One wonders why Christians would be persecuted? They seem like such likeable fellows. But see Luke 16:15-16; John 15:18; 1 John 3:13.. Are you sure it means that?

  50. Bill Gaffney


    James 1:27 is Jewish and from Torah. He is saying observance for observance sake is pointless. One has to also do mitzvot, in this case care for widows and orphans.

    James would have been very Torah knowledgeable and would also have kept the law. The difference is he was raised “middle class,” which meant he kept the spirit of the law, not just the letter of the law.

    For anyone who is interested I recently purchased “The Jewish Annotated New Testament.” It annotates the NRSV. The annotations are by “practicing” Jews. I have found it very good.

  51. Bill Gaffney


    I think there might have been a “question” to me. When I said Jews I meant all 12 tribes. Excellent comments to Daniel.


    I asked the question because the Torah and the Tanach was Jesus’ Bible. Every one of His teachings can be found in Torah, which is not surprising since He said not one jot or tittle.

    You seem to be teaching replacement theology, which is bad doctrine.

    I have done the weekly Torah portions, including the commentaries for years, been in Bible studies and discussion groups with Conservative and Orthodox Jews and read and heard much teaching from the Jewish and Christian scholars of the 1st Century period. All of these match up to one another when it comes to Judaism, the law and the relationship between Christianity and Judaism. Your teachings do not. Could you be wrong?????

    1. Daniel


      Maybe you can tell me what this OT passage means because it came to mind when I read your comment:

      To whom will he teach knowledge, and to whom will he explain the message?
      Those who are weaned from the milk, those taken from the breast?
      For it is precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line,
      here a little, there a little.”

      For by people of strange lips and with a foreign tongue the Lord will speak to this people,
      to whom he has said, “THIS IS THE REST, GIVE REST TO THE WEARY, AND THIS IS REPOSE”, yet they would not hear. And the word of the Lord will be to them precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little, that they may go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

      Isaiah 28:9-13 (emphasis supplied). I am not teaching replacement theology. For it is written: ‘The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will remove ungodliness from Jacob,’ Romans 11:26. I just can’t wait for Him to do it, because you still don’t understand the message. See Isaiah 30:15; Matthew 23:37.

    2. Daniel

      Shalom Bill,

      To answer your question, I place as much importance on the OT as I do the NT. See John 1:1, The OT is clearly present throughout the NT. See e.g., Luke 24:25, 27, 32, 44; John 5:39, 8:25; Acts 13:27, and includes many revelatory allegorical representations, as well as Hebraic literary parallelisms in type (both synonymous and antonymous) and even actual events which are repeated in the NT. For examples of this you can compare 2 Samuel 19:11-12 with Acts 9:24-25, which Paul emphasizes here in 2 Corinthians 11:33, or you can consider that on the very day Moses came down from Mt. Sinai to give the Ten Commandments to God’s chosen people, about 3,000 of those people were killed (by the flesh), while on the very same day (Pentecost) Christ sent down the promised Holy Spirit upon God’s chosen people, about 3,000 of those people were made alive (by the Spirit). See Exodus 32:15-28; Acts 2:1-41. Actually, if you look at the details, it’s much more interesting because the events happened in a similar though antonymous fashion. In the OT account, Levite priests killed the 3,000 with their swords in obedience to Moses’ command, whereas in the NT account Melchisedek priests killed the 3,000 with the sword of the Spirit, (God’s Word/the gospel), in obedience to Christ’s command. See Ibid; Hebrews 4:12; Mark 16:15; Matthew 28:19; Acts 1:8. These two events contain much instruction for battle, but the most important instruction is that to be saved one must first be killed by the two edged sword of the Spirit, (God’s Word), which both kills and makes alive. See John 1:1; Deuteronomy 32:39; 2 Corinthians 3:5-6. The letter of the Law kills by revealing to you that you are not a good person and right before God, but rather that you are a wicked person and wholly dead in sins and trespasses before God. See Hebrews 4:12; Ephesians 2:1-3. Only then, after God’s Word (the Law) has exposed to you the exceeding vileness of your sin, will your heart be made tender and prepared to be healed (hear the good news) so that you may repent and come to Christ for life. See John 12:24; Romans 2:1-4; Ephesians 2:1-4. This is why Christ reiterated that he did not come to call the righteous, but rather sinners to repentance. See Matthew 9:13; Luke 13:1-5. And it is also why he evangelized the proud with the Law and gave the good news to the poor (in spirit). See e.g., Matthew 19:16-22; John 4:7-26.

      In any case, it is in this way, and in others, that many teachings of the NT reveal the underlying meaning of the OT, and so instruct and exhort the believer in his walk with God. See e.g., 1 Corinthians 10:11; Galatians 4:21-31. Yet, it is also written that the NT reveals mysteries which God did not reveal to men in the past through the OT, or in any other form. See Ephesians 3:1-9. For an example of this you can look at Genesis 28:12 and see its meaning revealed by Christ here in John 1:51. But, in the end, it really doesn’t matter which Testament (OT or NT) you consider more important. Unless you have God’s Spirit in you, you cannot truly understand either one. See 1 Corinthians 1:18, 23; 2:14; John 6:45. See also e.g., Luke 16:31; Acts 8:34-35. Shalom.

  52. Snjezana Virag

    Yes, that sound like love to the chosen one. Jesus said : ” who hath ears to hear let him hear.”
    I think You will find in what chepter.

  53. gustavo vargas angel

    I am not intending an argument here, but in Galatians 3, say, as I can understand, that the fruits from the spirit are for faith(listening with), because if you do not believe what you are listening is useless and stay under the law from which we all the believers have been liberated by Jesus Christ fulfilling the former pactum in the cross. Please, if I am wrong, make me know. Best for you.

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Gustavo,

      Please forgive me, but I am not really sure what you are saying and I would hate to answer without knowing. I notice your name is Hispanic in origin. I speak Spanish. Perhaps, if you speak Spanish, you can ask Dr. Eli for my email and then email me in Spanish with your comment. I want so much to understand what you have said. Shalom.

  54. Snjezana Virag

    Faith is a work ! “Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.” But how Abraham believed God ? By Work ! He simply done it what God has asked him.
    Joshua did the same, Isak, Jakov, David, Paul, Petar…so we do !
    Faith is God principle that involves action.
    When Jesus called Peter to step out of the boat in a stormy sea, Peter stepped out in faith and although the next moment began to sink, Jesus, raised him up. Without Jesus our faith is non effective. Without Jesus no one can be saved.
    But still there is a part of our resposibility and it’s called work of faith.
    So consider the tree. To make the tree grow, one vital part has to be under ground, under the Law that the rest of the tree can enjoy day light. But tree grows from the root.
    We learned that the lamb was slane before the foundation of the world. Why ? Because in every part of history time, God had right to give grace to the chosen one. He done it by faith, cause faith is immense gift of God. Actually faith is like credit card with God limits on it.
    The truth is that we are saved by God’s commission that Christ’s blood was put on our account. Thus we recognize that Law is good because it shows us the necessity of sacrifice. But Judaism teaches us the same, and that is why the Law is a teacher, rather Rabbi. It teaches us that we all need a perfect ransom for sins. One big part of Israel, according to God will still do not see that Jesus is the Passover lamb, ( because they are root ) but they know everything about the blood of the lamb, and they are using by faith. You can see that faith is a work. They also know that grace of God who covers the sin has to be paid by someone who is innocent and they are waiting for their Messiah in faith wich justified them. So, you see, faith justified those who are working by the faith because no one can trust nothing else that God gives him to trust. it is called God’s sovereignty.
    I live in a country that is the most chatolic country ( after Vatikan) in Europe. Today I saw a lot of people going around with the olive branches in their arms, and I was so sorry, becuse they do not know that they are like those branches, cut out of the tree of life with their ignorance and idolatry which comes when you are separated from the root.
    The Law was given after Pesah. So, Law is a guardian, keeper, educator, teacher…not an instrument of salvation, because blood on the door is poured., and Judaism knows that well. If they did not recognize jesus, Jesus certenly knows them becouse He is one of them.
    If someone wants to keep commandments he or she is welcome. The Spirit teaches us that God has prepared some acts of love for us to live and be blessed on this earth.
    But tree without root can not be even alive, nor fruitful. Christianity without Judaism is nothing but a dry wood. And Judaism without the Gentiles christians can not be whole tree. We need each other and to see that is what God is doing through faith which He gives us in this special, appointment times. But we have to do something about it , we have to live our faith because faith without acts is dead.
    God bless you all,
    Chag Pesach Sameach
    Happy Passover

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Snjezana Virag,

      I fear the root of the problem is that you have not yet fully understood the gospel of Jesus Christ:

      You said: “But we HAVE TO do something about it , we HAVE TO live our faith because faith without acts is dead.”

      Would you say to a loved one, “I HAVE TO listen to you, I HAVE TO be kind to you, and I HAVE TO be affectionate with you, because I love you?” Does that sound like love to you?

      The truth is that faith does work, but it works through love. See Galatians 5:6; 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13; 1 John 4:8, 18-19; 1 Thessalonians 1:3. Which is to say that the root of faith is love (God) so that the outworking of that love is faith. See Philippians 2:13; Habbakuk 2:4; 1 Corinthians 13:1-13 (making clear that faith and hope proceed from love/God); 1 John 4:19. So you are right, we are created for good works, but if you read carefully you will see that we are GOD’S WORKMANSHIP, not our own! See Ephesians 2:8-10. In the end, God loves a cheerful giver (his beloved Son, love in us) and will never be pleased with those who give anything of themselves out of a sense of obligation or duty (which is anyone who is not in his beloved Son, and who therefore cannot love). See Hosea 6:6; Matthew 9:13; 2 Corinthians 9:7; Ephesians 1:3; 1 John 4:18-19; Romans 3:28; 4:6-7; 8:9. Shalom.

  55. Bill Gaffney


    How much importance do you put on the Torah?, the OT?

    1. Daniel


      Why do you ask?

  56. Bill Gaffney


    I thought I should explain my last comment in a little more detail.

    Paul taught against a couple things.

    1) The attempts by the “Christian” Jews to have the Gentiles convert to Judaism before practicing Christianity.
    2) The attempt by some Jews (a minority) to enforce the legalism of the law.

    He never spoke against a Gentile converting to Judaism, provided of course, they remain Christian and weren’t doing it because they were obligated to.

    Be well,


    1. Daniel


      Paul did, in fact, teach against Gentiles converting to Judaism, or any other religion which denies that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God!!! “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8-9.

      But Paul wasn’t alone in condemning any religion which denied the gospel, i.e., that Jesus is the Christ: “Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.” 1 John 2:22. See also 1 John 4:2-3; 2 John 1:7-11.

      Now, I ask you, does Judaism accept that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God? Do you now see what you are advising D’vorah to do? See also 2 Corinthians 2:6:14-18; 2 John 1:10-11.

    2. Daniel

      Again Bill, and to be perfectly clear, Christianity and Judaism are two totally contrary religions which correspond to two totally different and mutually exclusive covenants. One promises God’s blessing, the other God’s curse:

      “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we (Paul includes himself) might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
      Galatians 3:10-14 (parenthetical supplied).

      Now truly, what part of “the law is not of faith” do you not understand? By affirming that it is OK for a Gentile Christian to convert to Judaism (for whatever purpose you can imagine) you are teaching gross error. See 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; 2 John 1:10-11. Please stop. See 2 Timothy 2:19.

  57. Bill Gaffney


    What a beautiful testimony.

    By the way I don’t believe Paul, in any way, implied conversion to Judaism after Baptism was wrong, if the heart is right.

    Be well,


  58. Brachah D'vora bat Avraham

    When I wrote my Rabbi (an orthodox Jew and founder of a yeshiva)I that as to: “my Redeemer Yeshua, the one I denied. I believe Him now to truly be the Son of G-D, and one with Him. “My Rabbi’s words in writing me were: “Bracha ,when you emerged from the Mikvah 23 years ago you received a precious Jewish soul that is irrevocably and inextricably part of your essence. You will always be Jewish and I pray that you be blessed with the strength, wisdom, and happiness to appreciate, understand, and practice the timeless truths of our beautiful Heritage.”

    One thing my Rabbi had taught me by my watching him was the joy of studying Torah and following God’s commandments. It is true that at the time I tried to do so in my own strength and to become acceptable to God, but now I know that we are acceptable to God in Christ and only by His strength can we in our weakness obey. He has credited us with His righteousness and perfect obedience, yet His Spirit causes us to hunger for His Word and desire His Will to be done in us, and causes us to delight in His perfect commands.

    I no longer think that I can merit anything by obedience (since I cannot fully obey and constantly fail), but to ignore those Words written by the finger of our Lord does not seem to be an act of love. I do think that trying to strictly follow rabbinic judaism (much of it derived after the fall of Jerusalem to compensate for the lack of the Temple) would be to turn away from Christ, and fail to recognize that He now seeks His dwelling place in us. His body is the true temple of God and as He has made us part of His body, so we are called to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. (Even after His crucifixion but before the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple, the red thread on the day of Atonement failed year after year to turn white, indicating that the animal sacrifices were no longer being accepted, for the true lamb of God had once and for all made atonement for us).

    I also understand that the Jerusalem counsel decided that for the gentiles all that would be required was abstinence from illicit sex, food offered to idols and blood. (The last one seemingly no longer required by the church). This more or less conforms to the Noetic code formerly suggested to the Gentiles. However, having the circumstance of formal conversion to Judaism (after Christian baptism) I’ve been confronted with a dilemma. First of all to worry that the conversion in any way nullified my baptism, as Paul implies, and second of all to wonder what obligations I still had under the Law. I have come to the conclusion that just as God forgave the sins of Israel and the Gentiles through the sacrifice of Messiah, so He has forgiven me and that Christ has fulfilled the Covenant for me. At the same time I think that neither baptism nor mikveh are nullified. Further, that He calls us to serve Him in Love. To love Him with all our heart, mind soul and strength and our neighbour as ourself, and to walk in His ways as He has engraved upon our heart, and as He gives us His Holy Spirit to direct us.

    I voluntarily keep kosher not because I feel constrained to but because I want to. I cannot keep Pesach according to the strict laws, but I try to remove the leaven from my heart, to remember how He has made death pass over me by His sacrifice as my Pascal lamb and delivered me from slavery to sin. During the Days of Awe, I do examine my conscience and on the day of Atonement, I always take some time to pray and thank my Saviour for being my atonement, for reconciling me with my Father in Heaven. On Succoth, although it would not be possible in my current situation to build a succah, I do meditate upon the wonder of God who would tabernacle with us, promising never to leave or forsake us and, upon His return, to make His dwelling among us forever in the New Jerusalem. Etc. I have spoken to my pastor about my desire to keep the Sabbath in addition to my Sunday attendance, and he has said that this is a matter of Christian freedom. Again, strict rabbinic Sabbath-keeping is not possible for me and I think it would be an attempt to follow the letter, rather than the spirit of the commandment. However, I always use the day for examination of conscience, confession and absolution, remembrance of Christ’s entombment and trying to rest in Him by giving all my worries to Him. I minimize unnecessary work and try to avoid buying and selling. I pray that He would show me by His Spirit how He wants me to keep His Sabbath, for it was by His hand I was formed and all the universe around me filled with so much beauty. I want to remember and honour the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, my creator and sustainer.

    I pray that my Father will teach me how He wishes me to love and honour Him and remember His loving deeds and live for His glory. I pray that He will keep me from trusting in my own merits and solely on Christ. I pray that He will form the mind and image of Christ in me and keep me faithful by His faithfulness and that I may belong to Him and never be cut off from Him now and forever. I pray that by His covenants He will always be my God and I may be His child and abide in His love. I welcome all your prayers.

    1. Daniel

      Shalom D’vora,

      Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? As it is written,

      “For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
      we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

      No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

      Romans 8:35-39.

      You are in my prayers. Please pray for me also. Shalom.

  59. Kat

    Shalom Daniel,
    I see you put a great deal of effort into translating, but it seems that your tools have lead you to disconnect faith from the fruit of the Spirit. My understanding (self-study) of the Biblical Hebrew word faith connects faith to the fruit of the Spirit. (Definition -Faith is knowing that we will act with firmness towards God’s will.) Isn’t it God’s will for me to produce fruit? The Ten Commandments lead to Christ for two reasons, not one: 1. God’s provision to “pay the debt”. 2. I believed the commandments were good (Exodus 32:26 “Whoever is for the LORD, come to me.) Why would I come to Christ only to toss aside the commandments for a different gift?
    Galatians 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
    Thank you

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Kat,

      If faith is “knowing that you will act with determination towards God’s will,” then how do you explain the two accounts in which Yeshua praises two Gentiles for their “great faith?” See Matthew 15:21-28; Luke 7:1-9. Also consider this one in which Jesus questions the disciples faith: Mark 4:35-40.

      Faith is certainly NOT about “knowing that YOU WILL DO anything in relation to God’s will,” because that is self-centered and (spiritually) idolatrous.! See Romans 1:25; 10:1-4.. Rather, faith is knowing God and trusting in Him, which is exactly what characterizes the Gentiles Yeshua praises for their “great faith.” and it is precisely what is lacking in the disciples who actually believe Yeshua will let them drown. Much like the thief on the cross, those two Gentiles weren’t keeping the 10 commandments, (and nor were they following Jesus), but they all recognized Yeshua for who he was, and they all knew of and trusted in the God of Istrael’s abundant mercy. This is what pleases God and so Yeshua praised and blessed them! See Jeremiah 9:23-24; Hosea 6:6.

      In the end, faith is not YOUR work, it is God’s. See Deuteronomy 30:6; John 6:28-29; Ephesians 2:8-9 I pray he will do his work in you so that you may do his will and give him ALL the glory. For God’s will is not that you do works to establish your own righteousness, (e.g., Deuteronomy 26:5), but that you obey the gospel and trust in Christ’s righteousness, apart from your works. See Jeremiah 23:6; Romans 3:21-22, 28; 4:5-7; 10:2-4. Shalom.

      1. Daniel

        Sorry Kat, that last citation to Deuteronomy is wrong. I meant to write Deuteronomy 6:25. Forgive me. Shalom.

  60. Bill Gaffney


    Jesus, Paul and the disciples all kept the law. Paul takes the Nazarite Vow twice in Acts,

    When Paul deals with the other disciples in Jerusalem he is talking specifically about them trying to have gentiles adhere to the law. As I have said the law was meant for Jews, not Gentiles.

    No one is trying to put Gentiles under the mosaic covenant. This really is two separate issues.

    As far as Dvorah she is Jewish by the fact she went through that process. Nothing can change that. If Jews are still are in a marriage to God with the Mosaic covenant in force, which I believe they are, it has nothing to do with whether they are Christian or not.

    The problem here is you really lack understanding of the law, how God intended it and it’s purposes.


    1. Daniel

      Shalom Bill,

      Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written,

      “Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
      break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
      For the children of the desolate one will be more
      than those of the one who has a husband.”

      Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

      Galatians 4:211-31.

    2. Daniel


      I have no doubt that the Apostle Paul kept the law along with the Jews he instructed. But you fail to understand why they kept the law. Here is a good clear verse penned by the Apostle Paul himself which should help you understand why they would do so:

      “To the Jews I became as a Jew, in order to win Jews. To those under the law I became as one under the law (THOUGH NOT BEING MYSELF UNDER THE LAW) that I might win those under the law.”

      1 Corinthians 9:20 (emphasis supplied).

      As you can see, Paul did so to win souls, but he also rightly understood that the law and the prophets were until John (the Baptist). See Luke 16:16. As for the law’s purpose, the Apostle Paul explains it very clearly in Romans 5:20-21 and in Galatians 3:24-26. I urge you to prayerfully read those verses. Shalom.

  61. Kat

    I have been under works/ under law by committing to keeping the Ten Commandment), but that didn’t make me under a different covenant. Aren’t we under the covenant of grace? Isn’t fruit of the Spirit achieved by faith?

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Kat,

      The fruit of the Spirit is not achieved by faith (for that would make faith a work and the Creator subject to the creature), rather the fruit of the Spirit is faith. See Galatians 5:22 (KJV reads faith, whereas modern English translations change this to faithfulness) Faith is not a work of our own, but the gift of God, so that no one can boast.. See Ephesians 2:8-9; 1 Corinthians 12:7-9.

      As to your commitment to the law, this is what the Apostle Paul had to say about it: “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if you be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. CHRIST IS BECOME OF NO EFFECT TO YOU, WHOEVER OF YOU ARE JUSTIFIED BY THE LAW, YOU ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision avails any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which works by love.. Galatians 5:1-5 (emphasis supplied).

      For a longer answer, please see the rest of my comments on this page, particularly the one to Bill. The law is there to convict us of our sins and brings us to Christ. See 1 Timothy 1:8-11; Galatians 3:24-25. The law cannot justify us; it can only condemn us, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. See Romans 3:19-20. In sum, God’s Word makes clear that no one can keep all the law perfectly,(Romans 3:20), which is the only standard God accepts. See James 2:10. Now, I ask you: If God were to tell you plainly that you were not going to be faithful to a man you were about to marry, could you in good concsience promise that man that you would be faithful to him? How could you do so and then claim to believe God’s Word? Shalom.

  62. Clarence Wagner

    I loved this article and agree with this article and it is what I have taught for over 30 years. I completely affirm those Gentile Christians who want to draw closer to the Torah and observance. But, I never believed it was required of them or made them more holy than anyone else. If it is good for them and they feel blessed by practicing any or all of the Torah observances, then go on and be blessed. However, it is not required of Gentile Christians. Personally, living as a Christian in Israel for over 30 years, my family and I enjoy observing Sabbath, the Biblical holidays (some call them the Jewish holidays), because they have imparted an amazing understanding of the nature of God and his travail with the Jewish people. And, these rememberances enriched our family life. However, other “Torah observances” we did not practice and did not feel condemned because we were not obwerving them. I like the “middle road” analogy and feel it allows for a Gentile Christian to observe as much or as little of the Torah observances as he or she chooses. But, should not be done with a spirit of arrogance which criticizes Christians who do not observe as they do — I have see too much of this and everyone is hurt. If the purpose is to make one personally feel closer to God by following more of his commandments, go for it… as long as one realizes that it does not make them more holy or special. The only thing that makes you more holy and special is how you are viewed by God, and if observing more of these commandments makes you feel more holy and special to God, then it is between you and God. It is your journey, while others have another journey. What is important is our relationship to God and how we walk it out is between God and ourselves.

    1. Daniel

      Shalom Charles,

      I agree wholeheartedly with what you have said. But I wonder isn’t God alone holy and, if so, wouldn’t God be the only one who could make and consider something or someone holy? I often think “holiness” or what is “holy” cannot be so by degrees. It either is holy, or it is not. Perhaps the Jewish conception of holiness, or of what is holy, includes some category like “humanly holiness” that I fail to grasp. Is that the case?

      My own view is that we cannot be truly holy unless and until the LORD joins his Son’s spirit to ours. See 1 Corinthians 6:17; 12:13; Galatians 4:6; Ephesians 4:4. I mean isn’t He the potter? See Romans 9:20-23. And isn’t circumcision inwardly, of the heart? See Romans 2:29; Deuteronomy 30:6. Shalom.

      1. Drs. van den Berg

        You’re absolutely right, Daniel. Gal 5:6 Gal 5:11 it also include clear. I do not know whether I’ve done there well. However, I have written this with respect to the Jews that Yeshua not yet really knows who also read this blog too, following Hand 16: 3 and 1 Cor 9:11.

        1. Drs. van den Berg

          Act 16:3

          1. Drs. van den Berg

            I think I am tired Daniel. I mean Act. 16:3 and 1 Cor 9:20

  63. Bill Gaffney

    PS Is the Rabbinic (oral) portion of the law more strict? Not really. Many times (in fact most of the time) it allows more flexibility. Jesus would have followed the oral law.

  64. Bill Gaffney


    You have been doubly blessed. To have a rabbi say to you what he said about always having a Jewish soul is unheard of for a Rabbi (I assume he is not Christian) to say to someone who is returning to or newly going to Christianity. Jesus had a Jewish soul. Paul had a Jewish soul. The disciples had Jewish souls.

    My former wife converted from Christianity when she married her first husband, whose family was Jewish. She returned to Christianity after they were divorced. She always wondered if she was still Jewish. She had an observant Messianic Jew tell her she still was.

    Don’t beat yourself up for your attempts to find God and don’t let others beat you up either. God honors those sincere attempts. You know have experience to share with others who have similar struggles.

    Now should you keep observant or not. The very Jewish answer is yes to both parts of the question. That is between you and God.

    God has never abrogated His part of the marriage covenant with Israel and that is why many Jews still keep their part of the covenant. Jesus never replaced that nor called for it to be replaced, nor did Paul. Just remember to listen for God, and not man, in your answer.


    1. Daniel


      If you oblige a Christian to keep the Law AND trust in Christ you are putting him under two covenants, which is exactly what the Judaizers did to the new converts in Galatia. See Galatians 1:8-9; 3:1-9; 5:3-5. I fear you don’t understand the new covenant. It really has been the message from the beginning (see Galatians 3:6-9), so I will try to illustrate it here with God’s Word in Exodus 20:25:

      “And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it. Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.”

      God has given you the rock made without hands (the promised Christ) to trust in and to worship him. He does not accept your own works because they are idolatry and a snare for your soul. Neither does he want you to place yourself above others because that too leads to the very sin (pride) which discovered the nakedness (fall from grace and condenmation) of both man and angel. See Genesis 3:5-7; Isaiah 14:12-15. Cf. Daniel 4:13-33; Proverbs 8:13. Only one thing is needful. See Luke 10:38-42; Romans 10:17. See also Matthew 23:37; Isaiah 30:1,7,15. Shalom.

      1. IAN

        Dear Daniel you have made some excellent comments. however I feel I need to correct you in your understanding of Acts 15 and to the ruling of the Jerusalem council. I believe you have fallen into an incorrect understanding of verse 20 & 21. Read Acts 15:21which gives the reason for the ruling. The four rules are to do with sacrificial sexual idolatry vs salvation not the Noahic rules! Verse 21 points gentile belivers to the Torah which is read every sabbath and leads to living a holy life. Please read ‘Lifting the Veil’ Avram Yehoshua. There is only ONE TORAH the written word for Jew & gentile believers and Yeshua is the living Torah,
        It is a blessing to search for the truth of scripture through the Holy Spirit.


        1. Daniel

          Shalom Ian,

          I thank the Lord for your comments and correction Ian. To God be the glory if I say anything right! My understanding, and I am probably wrong, is that the Talmudic tradition encouraged Gentiles to comply with the Noahide laws, (though in v. 20 only part of them are listed), and approved of those Gentiles that did so. That was what I understood from the reference to the teaching of Moses in the synagogues. But I thank the Lord you brought the matter to my attention, as I am stirred up now to investigate the matter more thoroughly. Shalom.

  65. Brachah D'vora bat Avraham

    I thought Daniel wrote a very sincere response, and I did read all of the verses he listed. However, more background will be useful. Although raised Christian (and baptized) I strayed very far and in my attempts (yes by my own efforts) to reconnect to God (without understanding that I could return to my baptism by repentance). I converted to Judaism in an attempt to “belong to God” when my attempt to become a Catholic nun had failed. It is true that I only ended up feeling further from Him and experiencing His wrath as a result-feeling He hated and rejected me. So I sought acceptance with false gods and then when that failed and I was on the verge of being forever lost, I was told that Christ had forgiven me and I could return to Him. When I returned to Christianity, I told my old rabbi.I thought since I had not confessed Christ as the Son of God and Messiah, I had to do so before the very persons where I had denied Him. (I had understood previously that should I confess Him, I would not be granted orthodox conversion). He was understanding, but said “once a Jew, always a Jew,” for in conversion, I had been given a “Jewish soul”. This then created confusion as to my remaining obligations regarding keeping Passover, Succoth, Yom Kippur and whether,, as my pastor says, “you are not a Jew”. I do feel that I stood at the foot of Sinai and agreed to keep His commandments, and then as Israel, I broke them all. I have, of course made thorough confession and know Jesus as my only Hope and I belong to the Father only in Him, yet Sabbaths, Passover and Succoth I always wonder if I should be keeping them in some way. If I do so, will I anger Him again, or if I do not, will I be cut off from Israel? What a mess I have made of my life. I think only He can straighten it out. I know I have no righteousness apart from Christ and it is impossible to please God apart from Him, but these days also bear witness of Him. All I know is that by Him alone do I belong to the God of Abraham, the God of Israel.

    1. Daniel

      Brachah D’vora bat Avraham

      I just read your comment and these words came to mind:

      “Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:3.

      “The LORD is near unto them that are of a broken heart; and saves such as be of a contrite spirit.” Psalm 34:18.

      “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, you will not despise.” Psalm 51:17.

      Never worry, never trust in your own feelings or your own understanding brother. Just trust in the Lord, for He cares for you. See Proverbs 3:5-6; Psalm 55:22; Matthew 6:30; 1 Peter 5:7.


    2. Daniel


      Shalom. You have been given the following advice: “Now should you keep observant or not. The very Jewish answer is yes to both parts of the question.”

      I want you to consider the above quoted words carefully. Can “yes” be the answer to a question which asks if you should do one thing OR another? The Lord has given you a way to discern this device and escape it. See Proverbs 1:17. Putting a person under two mutually exclusive covenants is the oldest trick in the book. See Galatians 2:16-21; 3:1-5, 10-14; 5:3-5. Don’t be fooled. See Proverbs 29:5; Habbakuk 2:4.

      “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I WAS AN HUSBAND unto them, saith the LORD.” Jeremiah 31:31-32 (emphasis supplied). See also Romans 7:1-6.

      Trust in the record which God has given of his Son Jesus Christ with your whole heart and you shall be saved. See James 1:8; Psalm 12:2; Ezekiel 11:19; Jeremiah 24:7; Romans 10:9. Shalom.

  66. gustavo vargas angel

    Very good ¡ because, as humans, frecuently we forget who we are nothing more than nothing, and pretend become God. Great mistake¡ The degrees, titles, shields that we could get here on earth are less than nothing to the eyes of the Lord (who possibly is laughing on us when tallk about). Your words comfort my spirit, and give new strenght for a new day. Very well said, best for you¡

  67. Snjezana Virag

    Jesus had been taught and He did not taught anything other than what is written in the Torah. When he spoke of Scripture, He meant the Torah. The New Testament says that Jesus embodied the Torah. He was the Word of God clothed in human life.
    The Apostle Paul never said that the Torah is opposed to Christ and he kept mitzvah prescribed by the Torah, although he was an apostle of Christ. Whoever is born of God has the testimony in himself that the Torah is God’s instructions for the best possible life on earth. We are on the earth, and God wants to dwell on earth with us and this happens when we live according to His instructions. God is a God of order and not of disorder. In His sovereignty He laid the Law of life in Christ that is living and activeTorah.
    Jesus is the Torah, and he certainly did not come to deny himself. Because when you deny the Torah then you deny Jesus. He came to show us that God is the true God and that any human failure to fulfill the whole Law has been overcome by His sacrifice for us. But Jesus’ sacrifice was first to God, because God is just, and could never justify sin that has not been paid for.
    Christ didn’t abolish the Law but gave him a purpose and the purpose is Christ, himself. So the Law that is at the foundation of Judaism is the path to true relationship with God. And truly this relatioship comes from Jews, as Jesus is. It is wtitten that the older will serve the younger. Christianity without Judaism is like a lost flock. I think that Judaism is like an older brother who went all the way with God to take us by the hand and brought us and keep us near to Christ by himself.
    In one house can be a lot of children and although they all equally loved, all do not have the same responsibility.
    Keeping commandes is not against the Christ, on contrary, it is the way to show that we love him, respect and follow.
    If the Law is written in our hearts we know the truth and we can see what is perfect God’s will for us. Then the love and appreciation happens by itself because the love poured into our hearts and this is the greatest commandment that is fulfilled with Christ. And it’s proof that Christ came to realize God’s Law on earth and not to abolish it.
    Let God’s bless you all,

    1. Daniel

      Snjezana Virag

      Shalom. You say: “… the Law that is at the foundation of Judaism is the path to true relationship with God.” But the law is clearly not the foundation and nor is it the path because it is not the entire revelation of God’s truth to man. See Ephesians 3:3-5; Colossians 1:25-26; Hebrews 1:1-2. The foundation is comprised first of the promise of mercy which God gave to Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:15), and then later the subsequent promises of blessing and favor given to Abraham while he was yet uncircumsized. Genesis 12:1-3; 17:4; 22:14. “For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified.” Romans 4:13-14.

      For of a truth “the law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul.” Psalm 19:7(a). But how does the law of the LORD convert the soul? Is it by our obedience to it? Or is it by how it convicts us of our inability to obey it (our own sinfulness) and thus our absolute need for, and hope in, God’s merciful promises, (now realized), to save us and bless us through the blood of Jesus Christ? See Romans 2:1-4; 3:23; Galatians 3:24-25. If you meant it this last way, (i.e. that the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ), I agree with your statement that the Law is the path (or at least part of it) to the true relationship with God. See Galatians 3:24-25. But if you meant that the Law, or even one’s obedience to the Law, is itself the path to the true relationship with God, then I totally disagree.

      The Law was ordained unto death to multiply transgressions (Romans 5:20;7:10) so that men would ultimately see their exceeding sinfulness before God, (they are dead), and so they might mournfully consider their poverty of spirit and be broken in pieces, so that, by this humble realization, they might meekly repent (of their self-idolatry…remember, ye shall be as gods), and hope and trust in God’s promised mercy alone for salvation. See Genesis 3:5-6; Proverbs 8:13; Isaiah 14:12-14; Jeremiah 17:5-8; Ezekiel 28:12-17; Psalm 34:18; 51:17; Matthew 5:3-5; Matthew 21:44; Romans 1:25; 3:10-27; 5:20-21; 7:13; John 12:24; Ephesians 2:1-3.

      Christ declared: “I am the truth, the way and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me” John 14:6. According to Scripture, faith in Christ, (which implies knowledge of the object of one’s faith), is the only path (the way) to a relationship with the one true God, and that path is not just the Law but the complete revelation of God’s plan of salvation (the truth) from beginning to end, which is the Aleph Tav in the flesh, Jesus Christ (the life). See John 17:3; Romans 10:17; Philippians 1:9; 2 Peter 1:2; Revelation 1:8, 11; 22:13. To God be the glory.


  68. Brachah D'vora bat Avraham

    So what is a Christian to do who in their search for God converted (orthodox) to Judaism including Mikvah and taking a vow to observe the commandments (and denying Christ), and later realized that they could not honour the Father except through the Son and returned to Christianity? Are they to keep the Sabbath and the Passover and Day of Atonement, or would that be displeasing to God and further denying Christ (Hebrews seems to imply this), or are they to do so recognizing that all is fulfilled in Christ, or not to do so at all? What does one do not to break their vow to God but at the same time not to set aside Christ?

    1. Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg

      This a very interesting question.

    2. Daniel

      Brachah D’vora bat Avraham,

      Shalom. I have only been in Christ for some years, but these thoughts immediately came to mind when I read your comment and so I thought I would share them with you.

      First, I thought that if you were trying to find God through the Torah, and not Christ, you were still trusting in your flesh, and not Christ, and so your vow could not have pleased God in any event. See Isaiah 6:5; 48:1,22; 64:6; Psalm 51:5; Ecclesiastes 7:20; Ephesians 2:1-2; Romans 7:18, 24 (there Paul claims that nothing good dwells in his flesh so by definition our flesh -without Christ’s spirit- can produce nothing good!). Put differently, God is only pleased with those who worship him in spirit and in truth (those who obey the gospel and are in Christ), and so if you didn’t have Christ’s spirit when you vowed the vow, you were none of his, and your worship a vain thing. See John 4:23-24; Romans 8:9; Philippians 3:3.

      Moreover, and even assuming you were in Christ when you made your vow, (though I can’t assume you were), your vowing obedience to the commandments was already contrary to what Christ taught his disciples (i.e., those who worship God in spirit and in truth), let alone the gospel of God which commands you to repent and believe that Christ is your righteousness, and not your own law keeping. See Matthew 5:33-37 (instructing that we should make no vow at all, for anything more than yes or no comes of evil); Jeremiah 23:5-6 (making clear the coming King (Christ) would be called the LORD IS OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS). Indeed, both Christ and James teach that we should make no vow before God and they do so because our own vows come of evil and condemn us. See Matthew 5:33-37; James 5:12. Our vows come of evil and condemn us because we are not GOD! To be sure, we are not God, or even like God,(see Genesis 3:5), and so we cannot make one hair white or black and we certainly cannot control all the contingencies which must be controlled to positively ensure that we will fulfill our vow! (Yours is a case in point). Further, by vowing we not only vainly exalt ourselves by arrogating to ourselves power and righteousness we do not have, but we also lightly esteem God’s righteousness and power for only he, who is holy and knows the end from the beginning, can make a vow and keep it! See Titus 1:2. It is precisely this kind of hubris before the Creator that brings the creature into condemnation. See Genesis 3:5-6; Ezekiel 28:14; Isaiah 14:12-15; Acts 12:21-23.

      Knowing all this, I would suggest you repent of your vow (it was a dead work) by asking forgiveness for having believed that, as a mere creature, you alone could make and keep such a vow before the Creator who is blessed forever. Amen. See Lamentations 3:37 (“Who has spoken and it came to pass, unless the Lord has commanded it?”). See also Hebrews 6:1; Romans 1:25. As a Christian, you must completely trust, not in yourself, but in God’s promises to raise Christ from the dead and impute his perfect obedience and righteousness to your account. See Deuteronomy 30:12-14; Romans 1:17; 3:21-22; 4:10-11, 20-24; 10:5-9; Hebrews 10:38; Galatians 3:11. It is my sincere belief that if you, by God’s grace, are moved by his Spirit to do this, God will forgive you for Christ’s sake. The only sin that cannot be forgiven is to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit and that occurs when one stubbornly refuses to believe in the record which God has given of his only begotten Son. See Mark 3:29; 1 John 5:10-11.

      Shalom .

    3. Cathy Arvin

      D’vorah The feast are the times G-d has appointed to meet with His people. Yeshuah (Jesus) is seen in all the “Feasts of the L-rd” He would not be angry with you for keeping them. Passover, He is our Passover Lamb, he says to keep it in remembrance of Him and there are Hagadah’s available that point out Yeshua in the Sedar. In the Brit you can see He is our First Fruits. Paul in I Corinth. 5: says to keep the (feast of unleavened) correctly. Also, in I Corinth 11. Shavuot is Pentecost. Rashashana is “Yom Teruah” the day of the Last Trumpet. It is when we should evaluate ourselves and ask for repentance for anything we have done in our walk that would be displeasing. Knowing that He has already paid the price, but we need to have our hearts right. “Yom Kippur” you can see Yeshua all over that one with the sacrifice as well, and we should always pray not only for ourselves but for our community we fellowship within and the whole world. Sukkoth, is the picture of the marriage supper of the lamb, and the time of Yeshua’s birth. It is a feast of joy for us to remember that we are but sojourners on this earth, the earth belongs to G-d. So yes we should keep the feasts for they are a time that we can get really close to Him.
      This is just a short answer to your question. But so you know He would rejoice in you keeping His appointed times to meet with you.

    4. Cathy Arvin

      The Feasts are G-d’s appointed times to meet with his people. Yeshua (Jesus) is in all of them. We should observe them as Messiah did. Know and seeing what He has fulfilled and what He will fulfill when He returns. See Messiah in the Feasts as you celebrate them. Keep the all feast the same as Paul told us to Keep the Passover. 1Co 5:8 Shalom

  69. Bill Gaffney


    The Hebrew term for Holy Spirit is Ruach Ha-kodesh, which literally means the breath of God. The Holy Spirit and Ruach ha-Kodesh are one and the same.

    1. Kat

      Thank you Bill.

  70. Cathy

    1. No one, not even Orthodox Jews are capable of observing Rabbinic Torah
    2. Torah observance is not a salvation issue but rather an issue of sanctification. How “set-apart” for God do we want to be on this earth? Many are called but few are chosen. My understanding of the Kingdom of God is that there are multiple levels – the parables teach us that there are wedding guests and there is the Bride. Only the Bride is taken into the inner chamber to be intimate with the Bridegroom. The basic condition for entering the Kingdom of God is salvation through faith in Messiah Yeshua. However, that basic condition doesn’t speak to our set-apartness (Kedusha). There is a 30/60/100 fold principle to the Kingdom of God. My goal is to be in the 100-fold group.

    1. Daniel

      Dear Cathy,

      Shalom. I must admit that I am not sure what you mean by Rabbinic Torah so please forgive me if this comment misses the mark (no pun intended).

      To my mind, Scripture teaches that the entire salvific process, which includes our justification, sanctification and glorification, was accomplished by God in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world. See Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:4; Matthew 25:34.. I mean doesn’t the Lord sanctify the believer and ordain his fruitfulness? John 17:17; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; John 15:16. For where it any other way, the believer would be able to boast and such boasting would contradict the plain teaching of Scripture. See Ephesians 2:8-10; 1 Corinthians 1:26-29. “For WHO makes you to differ from another? 1 Corinthians 4:7(a) (emphasis supplied). Is it not the LORD? And what do you have that you did not receive? 1 Corinthians 4:7 (a). Was it not a gift? See Ibid; Ephesians 2:8; John 3:27.

      Moreover, and if by the TORAH you mean the Ten Commandments or the moral law more broadly (which I doubt and that’s why I ask), I would say that Scripture teaches that the moral law is not for the righteous at all (those saved by Christ’s atoning sacrifice), but rather for the lawless and the disobedient (to the gospel), and everything else which is contrary to sound doctrine. See 1 Timothy 1: 8-11; Galatians 5:18; Romans 6:14. It is for such because its purpose is to shut their mouths and to convict them of their guilt before God, so they may be led to trust in Christ. See Romans 2:1-4; 3:19; Galatians 3:22-25. This is the proper and lawful use of the moral law. See 1 Timothy 1:8-11.

      For our Lord Jesus, the living TORAH, taught that the Ten Commandments were not the standard to which he was being held, but rather a practical shadow of greater and holier spiritual principles which only he could perform to the complete satisfaction of the one true God. He did so when he explained that, in God’s economy, the judgment for killing a man differs in no way from the judgment for being angry with one’s brother without a cause, (see Matthew 5:21-22), or when he explained that the sin of committing adultery is accomplished already in the heart of a man when he looks upon a woman to lust after her. See Matthew 5:27-28. In sum, only the LORD knows the heart of man, (see Jeremiah 17:9), only the Lord could perfectly fulfill the TORAH, and so only the LORD can and will righteously judge the secrets of every man by Jesus Christ according to his gospel. See Romans 2:16.

      Anyway, these were my thoughts when I saw your comment. Please forgive me if I didn’t properly understand it. I still would like to know what you meant by Rabbinic Torah.


      1. Cathy Arvin

        Wow, you have so much we could discuss for what you wrote but lets leave it to the question on this one. I apologize, I am sure I said it wrong. Rabbinic Torah, is probably not the correct way to say it. I am not really sure at this point what I wrote that you are talking about. But to me Rabbinic Torah is the Oral, the fence around the Written Torah, the Dogma added requirements, more than what G-d states in His Written Torah. If to give a silly example, tearing toilet paper and having it sit by the toilet because ripping toilet paper is considered working on the Sabbath. It doesn’t say that anywhere in scripture, I don’t know where or who came up with that one, and I don’t think it is correct.

        As to your other comments….talking points with lots of scripture verses attached. I may start answering them one by one…. as I go through those verses to make sure that I answer responsibly. As I have the opportunity.

        Have a blessed day. Shalom

  71. Kat

    Dr. Eli, I am a Ten Commandment convert . What I lacked when I walked into a church was a developed language that described what I needed from God. I reread you insight on the word Shalom and I understand it to mean pay the debt. There was something else I needed that I had no words for. Time permitting of course, is there a Biblical Hebrew word that describes the Holy Spirit (thirsting)?

  72. Drs. Charles van den Berg

    Clearly the Jews, and the non-Jews have not “ one way” in any way. Briet Chadasja is very clear about the circumcision, for example. However, I can’t agree with everything . There is a lot to say, but I limit myself to four points.

    (1) I would say that Eph. 2:12.19 told us that the Gentiles in Christ were no longer outsiders, but belongs to the household and the nation of Israel. So I can’t imagine that the Ten Comments is an exclusive part of God’s relationship with the Jews and not with the not-Jews. On the mount Sinai, they were written on tablets of stone, in Christ on tablets in human hearts (2 Cor. 3:3) . It’s still the same law, and the believers from the Gentiles are not humans without heart.
    (2) The Sabbath- comment of the is the most important of the ten and can’t be eliminated. Moreover, the Sabbath finds his first motivation in the fact that God rested after creating the universe. Before the covenant with Noah and before the covenant with Moses! It’s also not true that the Church did not keep the Sabbath from it’ s beginning. The Sabbath was replaced by Sunday at the papal decision. Not only, to make Christianity the state religion in 380 n.Chr. It was also an anti-Jewish expression. Only in the eleventh century celebrating the Sabbath among Christians was complete eradicated by Rome with force.
    (3) The biblical feasts are not mentioned, “the feasts of Israel” but “the feasts of the Lord” (Lev. 23:1-2) So God is also the Lord of the believers coming from the Gentiles. In initial, the Church always kept the most scriptural feasts. Coming from the same anti-Jewish attitude some scriptural feasts were celebrated on a date other than the Jews and then filled with pagan elements.
    (4) The discussion in Acts 15 took place around the Law of Moses as interpreted by “the sect” of the Pharisees. A fact to think about.

    1. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


      My Brother and grand-friend Charles, great! 🙂 that’s the idea!

  73. gustavo vargas angel

    Seems who nobody has realized who G-d talk to each one as He wants to do: To some, directly by His word in Bible; to others, by third person, and to others by dreams or personal revelations( the world talk to us, so you must stay alert, like virgins were). I say this three ways, may have others, but this who I know. Perhaps it’s useful for anybody.

  74. Daniel

    Shalom all,

    Concerning the Jewish people, it seems clear from a careful reading of Scripture that the New Covenant does indeed have as its object the replacement of the Old Covenant. See Romans 7:1-7; Galatians 3:24-29; 5:1-6; Hebrews 7:11-18;8:7-13;10:9,10. What is promised in the Old Testament by the prophets (a new heart, a new spirit, etc. Ezekiel 11:19: 36:22-32; Jeremiah 31:31-34) is fulfilled in Christ and the new birth and creature descriptions which we find in the New Testament. John 3:3; 2 Corinthians 5:17: Galatians 6:15, etc.

    As to the requirements placed upon the two groups of believers in Christ (Jew and Gentile), there are indeed plain instructions which show that the two groups were not asked by the apostles to observe the same laws. See Acts 15:22-29. Yet, the real question is not what precise laws these two groups were asked to follow, but rather why these two groups were asked to follow these particular laws to begin with. For plainly neither group was asked to observe laws in order to justify themselves before God! See Romans 3:20; 4:20; Galatians 3:11, Psalm 143:2; Job 25:4. Such a view would have contradicted the very gospel which had been offered to Jew and Gentile alike. That gospel requires belief, not in one’s own works according to the letter of any law, but in the promised and fulfilled redemptive work of our Lord Jesus Christ. See Romans 11:23; Hebrews 3:19: 6:1. By the which covenant, we are no longer under law, but under grace. See Romans 6:14-15. Set free by God’s grace from the bondage of the law, we are called to live by faith according to the law of his Son. See Galatians 6:2; 1 Corinthians 9:21. “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” Romans 10:4. The law of Christ, also termed the law of liberty,(James 1:25), we fulfill by Christ’s spirit which is given unto us and which teaches us, without the need of any teacher, to love one another as he loved us and gave himself for us. See 1 Corinthians 6:17; Galatians 4:6; Jeremiah 31:34; 1 Thessalonians 4:9; 1 John 2:27.

    Now, having said all that, and in answer to “why” the two groups were asked to follow different laws, I believe the answer is quite simple. As Christ’s Spirit is in the believer working to will and to do the Lord’s good pleasure, (Philippians 2:13), the believer, like Christ, will desire to preach the gospel to the lost and lovingly minister to his fellow Christians. To do these things, however, the believer, like Paul for instance, will act at all times to protect the consciences of those within the church whose faith is weak, (1 Corinthians 8:10-12; 10:32-33) as well as to appeal to those without by meek submission to the existing laws and customs to which they themselves are subject (in so far as they don’t contravene the law of Christ). These are some of the good works of faith and love which are ordained by God to fulfill his express will: that, through Christ, we love one another as Christ loved us (unworthily and without respect of persons), so that all men might be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth. See John 13:34; Ephesians 2:10; 1 Timothy 2:4-5.

    The apostle Paul explained that we are to walk without offense towards those who are without (both and Jew and Gentile) in 1 Corinthians 10:32-33. Elsewhere, both he and the apostle Peter make plain that, for Christ’s sake, we are to submit to all the ordinances of men (which would of course include God ordained ordinances which were mediated by a man, i.e. Moses),to each other, and to our masters whether they be mean or kind. See Romans 13:1-2; 1 Peter 2:13, 18; Ephesians 5:21. While Christ himself taught this very thing by his example, there is a particular incident which clearly illustrates the Christian principle that we should submit to laws even though we are not obliged to follow them. On that ocassion, Peter was challenged as to whether his master would pay the two drachma tax. When Peter submitted the matter to Christ, Christ told him bluntly, (though in parable), that they were under no such obligation to do so, but that he should go and pay it nonetheless, so as not to offend them. See Matthew 17:24-27.

    This, to my mind, (and without getting into the Talmudic tradition concerning its positive regard for Gentiles who adhered to the Noahide laws, or whether the Old Covenant laws were, or were not binding (on the Jews) until the city was burned and the temple destroyed in 70 a.d.), is the very principle at work behind the desire of the apostles and disciples to have the two groups adhere to two different sets of laws. As a ministry of reconciliation is committed unto us, we submit to whatever laws we are subject to and are all things to all men, (though never without the law of Christ or our faith), so that we might win some. See 1 Corinthians 9:19-22; 10:32-33. Moreover, we do this for Christ’s sake and because we understand that God works all things according to the counsel of his own will. See Ephesians 1:11.

    Should anyone believe me to be in error, I pray you will correct me with God’s Word so that I may be edified in the truth. Shalom.

    1. Cathy Arvin


      Who is the New Covenant made with? If you believe you are in the New Covenant then you are one of the 2 groups listed above. Because it was only made with them, no one else.

      Eph 2:12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
      Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
      Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household,

      Paul says that if we are in Christ we are no longer strangers and aliens, but fellow citizens of Israel. So we are counted as equal with those already in the covenant. Now if we are Israel, then and only then does the New Covenant apply to us. And what does G-d say to Israel, what does He require of us?
      Deu_10:12 “Now, Israel, what does the LORD your God require from you, but to fear the LORD your God, to walk in all His ways and love Him, and to serve the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul,
      What did the New Testament believers study? There was no New Testament at the time. They studied the Torah and the Tonach. PAUL WAS NOT A NEW TESTAMENT SCHOLAR! He was a Torah Teacher! What does WALK IN ALL HIS WAYS & LOVE HIM MEAN TO YOU?

      1. Daniel

        Shalom Cathy,

        I know Paul was teaching from the TORAH and the TANAKH but he also had more revelations of the truth which were previously hidden. See Ephesians 3:1-9; John 1:51. These revelations (and his considerable learning) allowed him to exegete the Torah and the Tanakh in a way he never had. As a Pharisee he never would have interpreted the following text as he did, which you should pay close attention to:

        Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written,

        “Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
        break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
        For the children of the desolate one will be more
        than those of the one who has a husband.”

        Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.

        Galatians 4:211-31.

        Yes. In Ephesians Paul is talking to Gentile believers. See Ephesians 2:11. They were strangers to the two covenants (the promises to Abraham and his seed, which you can see above is in Isaac, Isaac the father of Jacob, Jacob the father of Judah), and then the promises to the House of Israel on Mt. Sinai. I am not an expert on the covenants, but I do know that the Gentiles were without God and, therefore, fatherless before Christ came, just as the Jews became widows after Christ was crucified. See Romans 7:1-4. The Jews now, as afflicted widows, are being asked to marry ANOTHER MAN the one who was raised from the dead, Jesus Christ!!! See Romans 7:4. This is the NEW COVENANT. I could be wrong, but if I am, then what in the world is James talking about in James 1:27?

  75. Guillermo Del Solar

    What everyone fails to understand in this discussion is that the Torah is a code and not just a collection of stories . So when we speak of commandments and Laws ( the word used in the Bible was actually utterances and not commandments) , we fail to see its deeper meaning and how it does affects until today.
    There are secrets behind those stories that the kabbalists have been studying for centuries. And these secrets about how the universe works and our relationship with G_d and one another apply to all of humanity. The Zohar is the soul of the Torah, is what explains Torah at a “subatomic level” so to speak. And it will never be understood properly until humanity study Zohar.

  76. gustavo vargas angel

    I think who not only the jews were or are blesseds with the Law and the pact about a Mashia: I remember the words from God to Abraham, when say: ” In your seed will be blessed all the nations”, and if I am not wrong “all the nations” means just that: the whole people living on earth; then, each inhabitant on the world is under the law, at least in one part, according the learning who could have received, believing or not in Hashem and of course in Jesus, who came to fulfil the Law, not to abolish it.

  77. gustavo vargas angel

    I think who not only the jews were or are blesseds with the Law and the pact about a Mashia: I remember the words of God to Abraham, when say: ” In your seed will be blessed all the nations”, and if I am not wrong “all the nations” means just that: the whole people living on earth; then, each inhabitant on the world is under the law, at least in one part, according the learning who could have received, believing or not in Hashem and of course in Jesus, who came to fulfil the Law, not to abolish it.

  78. Kingsley Fulbrook

    I basically agree with the argument that The Sinai Covenant applies to Jews only and gives them a special distinctiveness. Gentile believers are not bound by all the commands of this Covenant, and should not try to ‘muscle in’ on it. However, contra Luther, the Ten Commandments apply to the goyim too. So what about the commandment to observe the Sabbath Day? Yes, the real Sabbath is yet to come, but we should still anticipate that rest by resting on one day in seven. But if Gentile believers keep the seventh-day sabbath, they are taking away from the distinctive nature of Jewish worship. Therefore it is better to observe the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week as the sabbath as far as Gentile believers are concerned. What do people think about this?

    1. Cathy Arvin

      Sorry, I have to say something about this. I do believe we need to follow what the scripture says. Not attempt to rationalize our disobedience. I won’t get into all the laws of the Torah or whatever you can see that in my comments (long as they may be to the writer of the original article. At to the Sabbath, G-d only has one Sabbath day. Messiah rose at the end of the 3rd day. Being crucified on a Wednesday day go three 24 hour periods where does that put you? He rose at the end of the Sabbath, Saturday evening before sunset. No one saw Him until the next morning because no one was going to go out there at night. (sign of Jonah). Ephesians 2 we are Israel if we are in Messiah, the Sabbath is a sign between G-d and the children of Israel forever. Don’t attempt to change G-d’s word or Sabbath day, it isn’t going to work out well. The Messiah is said if you love me keep my commandments…… where does he list his commandments? You have to go back to Genesis, Levl., Numb., and Deut. To get His commandments. Remember, Yeshua is the image of the invisible G-d, so who did the 70 elders see, when they saw G-d on mount Sinai? Yeshua is the image of the invisible G-d. Also, remember this Judah (the Jews) are the leading tribe. They have kept the written Torah safe for us for thousands of years they are the tribe of the KING. They lead, into battle, into the Land. We honor them by following their good example of keeping Sabbath on it’s proper day. We do not need to keep any extra laws layed down by men about the Sabbath, but we should keep Sabbath as G-d instructs in the scriptures. (Not even the Catholic or any other church or any rabbi has the right to change G-d’s law.) Yeshua, and the apostles never changed the Sabbath. It still remains to this day, let us Honor G-d and love Him by keeping it. Let us honor our brothers the Jewish people by keeping it. That G-d may be glorified.

  79. Joan Lesabe

    Shalom Dr Eli
    I like the answre of Jesus to the Samaritan womann that neither on the mountain nor in Jerusalem were true worshipers required to go. What is to worship God in TRUTH & SPIRIT. I have always thought G-D chose the jews so He could reveal Himselh to the Nations & how He was to be worshipe., secondly Petet & the apostles wrote to the gentile chiurches about what they were to observe, was’nt the reason because of such misunderstandings even then. There were people then who wanted to impose the strich rituals & customs of the jews on the gentile believers hence the letter to the gentiles. Yes I agree that some of these laws are no longer applicable as they are not part of worshiping G-d , but to establish order in the lives of people under the era they lived in. Where do you draw the line in this times we live in. I also agree with the Ten commandments as we learn from Hebres. G-d said some things were eternal, I would like further clarification on this . Thanks once again Dr Eli

  80. Kostya

    Thank you Dr Eli for posting this article and connecting us to Rabbi Leman’s blog. I see his article has now gone viral! It gives some good insights about Gentile believers who want to be ‘Messianic’, and feel closer to G-d if they observe the Torah and Jewish traditions.
    I was disappointed that he did not raise what some consider to be the essential issue for Messianic Jews: the relationship of the New Covenant ( Jeremiah 31 and letter to the Jewish believers Hebrews 8) to the Torah. This is a critical issue when considering the Torah and the Gentiles.
    The new covenant is, after all, a promise to Israel and Judah, ie all Jews. It is not as some Christians would have us believe, the Christian covenant, as opposed to the Jews’ Old Covenant. It is also a promise regarding the Torah. On one interpretation, the new covenant as promised in Jeremiah 31 and fulfilled in the Messiah, radically changed the whole ‘nature’ of the Torah because of the way it was to be given, transmitted, expressed, be a basis for Israel’s relationship with God, and the way it would provide for forgiveness of sins. Unlike the old covenant, which made provision for forgiveness through sacrifices specified under the law, the new covenant was based on forgiveness and was the basis for the giving of the Holy Spirit, which would become universal, both to Jews and Gentiles.
    The new covenant was with all of Israel and would have the intended result of further strengthening the close, special, personal relationship of G-d with His ancient people. It would now also have the eventual consequence of changing the relationship between Jews and Gentile believers which previously existed under the old covenant. I would argue that this is is not just because of Messiah Jesus being the light of the whole world, who allowed Gentile believers to be grafted into the natural olive tree of Israel through faith in Him, but also because of a change in the way the Torah would be understood.
    Rabbi Leman, wants to retain Exodus 19 and Sinai as something unique, special, unrepeatable and exclusive for the Jews and asks Gentiles to respect that. But in the new covenant promise to the Jews as described in Jeremiah 31:33 we read: “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their G-d, and they shall be my people.”
    Perhaps ‘the burden of respect’, if I can coin a phrase, should be on the Jews, and of their new covenant.
    The new covenant is specifically promised to Jews (not Gentiles at this stage). It unmistakably echoes the Sinai experience of Exodus 19 and that original purpose of the old covenant for G-d to establish an intimate relationship with His people. But the new covenant is not like the old covenant, and it makes the old one obsolete for Jewish believers. (Hebrews 8:13). But, unlike the Old Covenant, which by nature is exclusive except for those who wanted to become Jews, Jeremiah 31:33-34 foreshadows that the new covenant would be fulfilled in Messiah Jesus,(the fulness of that for the Jews is yet to come Hallelujah!) and the giving of the Holy Spirit. As the Holy Spirit would be poured out on all who believed, it would now include the Gentiles, even though they are not specifically mentioned in Jeremiah 31.
    Rabbi Leman seems to have ignored this issue of the new covenant and its relationship to the old and hence to Gentiles. Rabbi Leman is correct to point out some of the foolishness of Gentile believers to try to relate to ‘Jewishness’ under the old covenant which was with the Jews alone, but it seems equally foolish for Jewish believers to try to understand their relationship with Gentiles on the basis of anything other than the new covenant. It just does not work! More importantly of course, that new covenant is now the basis of Messianic Jews’ own relationship with G-d as ordained by Him and it seems a pity that very few can find an identity as Jews within that plus the
    Abrahamic Covenant.

  81. Ann Johnstone

    Thank you Dr. Eli for posting this article by Derek Leman. I find it refreshing in its approach to the Law, especially so because I came from a completely non-religious background and ‘came to Christ’ at the age of 13 as the result of a number of God’s sovereign interventions in my life.

    I was then confronted by Christians who kept a lot of laws that confused me. These were godly men and women who taught me much that was good, but also kept many laws that arose not so much out of Christianity but rather from the restrictions of a post-Victorian era. Examples of such laws were: Do not knit, sew, play cards, or read secular books on Sunday, Do not wear makeup, go dancing, or to the cinema. I found this totally confusing for a while, until I realized that Jesus taught something much deeper: the Law of God is fulfilled through love: firstly, loving God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength; and secondly, loving/esteeming others as we do ourselves.

    I then realized, of course, that the legalism with which I was confronted was not even stipulated in the Bible, either for Jews or Gentiles, and that God’s standards are far higher and broader than such petty laws. When we love God, and therefore others, completely, we will not need to observe hundreds of specific laws because we will want to please Him and treat others as we would ourselves want to be treated.

    And yet mankind has always tended to gravitate towards laws. Perhaps this is because we feel more secure when fenced in rather than given total freedom to choose, where love is the only guideline. I recognize that right from the beginning, we have been infected by sin. It is ingrained in our basic nature, corrupted by the fall. And because of this we need strong guidelines to keep us on track. As humans we also have a tendency to ‘follow the rules’ (or else ‘break the rules’ as an act of rebellion). It can seem to be a dangerous thing to be governed by nothing but love. God knew this when he gave Moses the Ten Commandments and, as a followup, the many laws contained in Leviticus.

    Jesus summed up the Law of Moses as the Law of Love. I for one am confident that when the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts, the Law is being fulfilled through His love. Perhaps this thinking is simplistic, and yet I have found it works for me. God knows each one of us intimately, and He knows what guidelines each of us need to keep us on track. It is not a matter of one Law being better than another, or making us holier. The Law in its essence is above individual rules and restrictions. It is the path that leads to Christ, the fulfilment of the Law.

  82. Bill Gaffney

    The church has mistakingly (or maybe not) taught that Jesus fulfilled the law based on the statement, “I come not to abolish……..” This was a Hebrew idiom meaning teach the Torah correctly, spirit of the law vs letter of the law. Jesus goes on to say not one jot or tittle should be changed (partially a reference to how Torah scrolls are written) and warns against teaching the Torah incorrectly. There is nothing that needs to be fulfilled. The Mosaic covenant is a marriage covenant between God and the Jews.

    By the way I think just under 300 of the mitzvot can be done today.

    This brings us to gentile Christians keeping the Mosaic law. No one is saying you can’t but to teach that all Christians should is not correct. I enjoy Pesach, Shavuot and Saturday Sabbath. But I am not about to tell a gentile Christian they should observe them.

    Bu the way giving up shrimp is a non-starter.::>

    Be well,


    1. Daniel

      Shalom Bill,

      You rightly say that the Mosaic covenant is a marriage covenant between God and the Jews. But have you not considered the following words of the apostle Paul, which were plainly addressed to the Jews concerning that same marriage covenant?:

      “Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

      Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.”

      Romans 7:1-4

      May the Lord give you understanding in all things. Shalom.

      1. Cathy Arvin

        Bill & Daniel,

        Please quote me in scripture where the Torah is a marriage covenant between G-d and the Jews. Because how I read it, IT IS BETWEEN G-D AND ALL ISRAEL (ALL 12 TRIBES). Yes He divorced the Northern Kingdom, that is why Yeshua (Jesus) had to die. So that all the prophecies of reconciliation could be fulfilled. He had to be raised a new man, in order to be able to take the northern kingdom back, and make the whole nation complete and whole. So that He himself would not brake His own instructions.

        The Torah is for all Israel……..yes it is a marriage covenant, but for all Israel, not just 1/12th of it.

        1. Daniel

          Shalom Cathy,

          The marriage covenant language is sprinkled throughout OT and NT but you will find it most clearly represented in the Book of Hosea. While Hosea’s ministry was primarily devoted to the Northern Kingdom, (from my understanding), the whole of Israel would later go without a prophet in the land for nearly 400 years until Christ came so evidently Hosea’s warning was not limited to Judah. (I’m sure Bill knows more about this than I) In any case, Christ nowhere says that he had only come to reconcile the Northern Kingdom to God. Moreover, we are told the following by the Apostle Paul, who was raised at the feet of Gamaliel:

          Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.

          “His reference to-those who know the law” is clearly a reference to all of the Jews, which I take to mean the 12 tribes. Maybe I’m mistaken. You see Paul, to my mind, is saying that God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself (Jew and Gentile), (see 2 Corinthians 5:19), and he did so by bearing all our sin (Jew and Gentile) and dying on a cross. See Revelation 1:17(b)-18 (“”Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living one; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.”). As the husband of every Jew had died, (those who knew the Law and were under it), Paul was telling the Jews they were now free to marry another, Jesus Christ, who was raised from the dead. It would not be adultery under the law, which they had been commanded to obey. All Jews outside Christ are now (spiritually speaking) widows. That is my understanding. Shalom.

        2. Daniel

          Shalom Cathy,

          Just one more thing. I may be wrong about this but this is my view. The preaching of the cross was, and still is, or at least should be, the principal offense against those outside of Christ. In the first century, the extreme persecution against Christians, particularly in the Jewish community, would have focused on identifying those who preached the cross and exhorted the preaching of the cross. So it is possible that their letters might attempt to conceal this facet of the religion in some way in order to avoid problems. It may well explain the rather crossless content of James’ letter. I may be wrong, but this is my view and I think James 1:27 backs me up and I will attempt to explain my understanding of it:

          Unlike the Jews, whom I explained were (spiritually speaking) widows, the Gentiles were fatherless or orphans before Christ died (because they knew not God), and were then (and now) being called to be adopted into the family of God. This explains James 1:27 as an exhortation to go and preach the gospel (visit but don’t yoke yourself) to the Gentiles (orphans) and to the Jews (widows) in their affliction (outside Christ). That is the Great Commission of Christ (Mark 16:16; Acts 1:8) asnd only that can be considered the pure and undefiled religion in the sight of God the Father to which James is referring (in addition to being kind to widows and orphans). I mean really, would anyone hate, persecute or kill a person for building an orphanage or helping a widow? See Matthew 5:9-12; 10:22; 24:9; John 15:19. Shalom.

          1. Cathy Arvin

            Wow, never even heard anything like that in Bible College…….but as not to put G-d in a little box. I will consider what you said.
            James one of my favorite letters. Written to the 12 tribes scattered abroad. Written to G-d’s apple of His eye, G-d’s Israel. Great, letter! He is discussing a man watching what He says and if he can’t do that his religion is worthless. Then tells you what good religion is. I don’t much espouse to religion, it is a way for man to rule over other men with fear and false promises and foolishness.

            G-d did not give us a religion, He gives us a way of life. It is a way to walk, for all His People. He only has one group of people, He didn’t decide to have one group over here and one group over there. Israel failed in it’s commission to be a light to the nations, they where split in 2 for disobedience sake. Those who where faithful, stayed true and kept the Torah true, for generations to follow. The law is nothing bad, and isn’t something we cannot do.
            1Sa 15:22 Samuel said, “Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams.
            1Sa 15:23 “For rebellion is as the sin of divination, And insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He has also rejected you from being king.”
            So disobeying G-d is the same as being an idolater, rebellion as divination. Yeshua, (Jesus) said “Joh 14:15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
            Who do you think gave them? G-d is invisible. Who did Moses and the 70 elders see then? Who did Abraham walk with, who walked in the garden with Adam, if G-d is invisible? Think.
            Col 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
            Gotta Love Paul, he is direct pulls no punches and I love his sarcasm. He is like Yeshua (Jesus) quite often. But here he just says it as it is. Yeshua (Jesus is the image of the invisible G-d.
            Hope you had a blessed Passover, (Yeshuah) Jesus is our Passover Lamb. 1Co_5:7 Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 1Co 5:8 Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
            Sorry about the delay to respond but we Saddar last night and where reading today about all that Messiah has done for us. He tells us to remember Him when we celebrate it. 1Co 11:24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
            1Co 11:25 In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
            1Co 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.

        3. Daniel

          Sorry Cathy,

          The Apostle Paul’s quote about the marriage covenant is found in Romans 7:1-4. Forgive me. I’m a little tired. Shalom.

          1. Cathy Arvin

            Is anything from G-d evil? Rom 7:14 For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.
            Be aware that not all the verses in the NT have to do with the Law of G-d (Torah). There is the Law of Sin and Death…… that is not the Torah spoken there. That is back to Adam. Because one man sin, we all have a death penalty on us. There is the Dogma (man’s law, the law of the government, law of the church’s, law of the Pharisees’). So as anything else you must look at the context. You must also start at the beginning of the book for G-d says He never changes. His plan of salvation has always, always been the same. In Hebrews there is the call of all the righteous saved by faith, Abraham onward. “Man, (is) appointed, mortal, sorrow, (but) the blessed G-d, shall come down, teaching, his death shall bring, the despairing, rest. The meaning of the genealogical names from Adam to Noah.
            His message never changed, the solution was always the only one it could be, that is why from the beginning He gave us the history and with in the history is prophecy, not just history. He says it if I remember correctly seven different times in Isaiah, this is one example. Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, ‘My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure’;
            In reality He tells us the end in the beginning. You will need to do a Hebrew study on the words in Hebrew to get the true meaning of it. So to know the end you must know the beginning. For example John 1:1 points to Genesis 1:1 to get you back to the very beginning. Yeshua (Jesus) never said he was the alpha and Omega, that is what they wrote in Greek, He spoke Hebrew. He said He was the Aleph Tav. When you look in the beginning in Genesis 1:1 the Aleph Tav stand next to each other all alone, right next to Elohim, creating everything. They say that the Aleph Tav when it stands alone is pointing to the direct object, but it is never translated and they don’t know why it is there, not really. Do you know why, because it is Him, the Messiah from the very beginning. To understand the NT you must understand the old. I know the party line you taught, I was taught it many years ago in Bible College. But I also know that G-d is True and His word is True and “Truth”. The Spirit will lead us into all Truth. Context is very important, knowing your author is very important. Knowing that nothing written past Deut. can contradict the Torah, or it is Translated wrong, or interpreted wrong. It is not just Jesus having to die so that the Jews can believe in Him the way you say, that is nonsense really. You could get laughed at big time for that one. The verse reads:
            Deu 13:1 “If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
            Deu 13:2 and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’
            Deu 13:3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you to find out if you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
            Deu 13:4 “You shall follow the LORD your God and fear Him; and you shall keep His commandments, listen to His voice, serve Him, and cling to Him.
            In other words if a prophet comes and tells you to do something other than keep G-d’s commandments even if the sign or wonder comes true, it is a test from G-d to see if you really love HIm. Do not believe the prophet he is false. To many Christians make Yeshua (Jesus) into a false prophet. Especially since the Jewish people read the NT the way they hear them teach it. Yeshua never spoke against Moses or the Prophets. He never told anyone to live differently. Neither did his disciples or apostles. Know the old and the NT does not contradict, everything makes sense and fits together perfectly.
            Sorry I have gotten to long here. Shalom Daniel

          2. Cathy Arvin


            It being Passover, and Feast of Unleavened Bread I cannot spend but a moment more on this and must return to the rest of the house. But I wanted share something with you really quick, about the day and time.
            Did you know that Israel was saved from Egypt and the bondage of slavery and they didn’t have to do anything at all to be saved accept put their faith in the blood of the lamb that they put on their door posts. That is all they had to do. G-d then took them, after they put their faith in the blood of the lamb and brought them to Mt. Sinai and offered them the opportunity to be His people and made a covenant with them, because they agreed to it.
            All Believers today have to do to be saved, is put their faith in the blood of the lamb. Joh 1:29 The next day he *saw Jesus coming to him and *said, “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
            Then he makes us the same offer. If you love me keep my commandments and I will make you a kingdom of priests to G-d. Same language everything. May we all be faithful to be the light that He wanted to that the whole world would believe in Him and live.

        4. Daniel

          Shalom Cathy,

          I thank the Lord for your comments Cathy. I don’t think we disagree that much. I love the TORAH and am eager to learn more about the Jewish perspective and I am very grateful for what you have shared with me to date, truly I am. But my point is that if you have God’s Spirit dwellilng in you, God will make you understand TORAH and you will obey his commandments (though you will require correction and chastening) because the one who is working to will and to do his good pleasure in you is the spirit of his Son, crying Abba Father. See Psalm 89:29-37; Galatians 5:6; Philippians 2:13. This means that it is Christ in you who is doing the works, so that all the glory is God’s, not yours in any way shape or form. See Isaiah 42:8; 48:11. And you cannot lose your salvation once he has given it to you just because you aren’t keeping the law (though God will not suffer you to mock him). See John 10:28; 14:27; 1 Corinthians 11:30; Psalm 89:32. To think otherwise (that your law keeping saves you or makes you right with God) is to deny Christ! (It is actually the joy of knowing this simple fact that produces good works in the believer).

          Certainly reading and meditating on the TORAH is convenient and edifying and you will be fruitful if you do so, (Psalm 1:1-3) but ultimately a Jew (a child of God) is inward and circumcision is of the heart, (Romans 2:29), and the outworking of that circumcision (the fruit of the Spirit) is love, mercy and compassion, not the observance of ordinances, rituals, feasts and sabbaths, which is precisely the fundamental point in James’ letter. See James 2:13. In fact, I am glad you brought up James’ comment about the tongue, for it proves my point. You will notice that James writes that NO MAN can tame the tongue, (James 3:8), NO MAN means NO MAN, so obviously only God can do that! From first to last (Aleph Tav) there is only one good Cathy, and that’s God! See Matthew 19:17. And he doesn’t share his glory with anyone. See Isaiah 42:8. This is my view. May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. 2 Peter 1:2. Shalom.

    2. Daniel

      Shalom Bill,

      As I understand it, many of the Jewish sages taught that the greatest of all the mitzvot (commandments) is the very first commandment, “I am the LORD your God” Exodus 20:2(a). For if you know he is the LORD your God you will obey him. I would say, however, and you well know I am no sage, that the first commandment is not this one or even the commandment to love God, (which are not imperative but descriptive), but rather the first and greatest commandment is to HEAR/SHEMA!

      If you listen carefully to Jesus’ teaching, it is really a restatement of the Shema in Deuteronomy 6:4:5. A scribe asked Jesus:

      “… “Which commandment is the most important of all?” Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. AND you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’” Mark 12:28-30 (emphasis supplied).

      As you can see Christ said this is the most important commandment, (singular), so if loving God is the commandment, then hearing would be less so, or not a commandment, but does that make sense? I think that if you look at the phrase carefully you can see that loving your God with all your heart soul mind and strength is really just the RESULT of the most important commandment: right HEARING, not the other way around. This interpretation is backed up by loads of scripture. See Deuteronomy 29:4; 30:6; Isaiah 6:10; Mark 9:7; Luke 10:38-42; John 6:63, 15:3; Romans 10:17, 11:8; Galatians 3:2,5; Hebrews 3:15, 4:2; James 1:21. I mean, didn’t God speak the world and everything in it into existence? See Genesis 1:3, 6, 11, 20, 24; John 1:1-2. (There is something more to be said about the second commandment, which is like it because I believe it affects how you hear, Luke 7:46-48; James 1:21), but I don’t have time to go into it here.). Shalom.

  83. gustavo vargas angel

    To who may concern:
    From all my readings trying to explain the letters and speechs by Paul, I can see that is a big matter at sight: to each one, the piece that may belongs. So, we can see to Galatians, a part, to Laodicey, other, and so. All that because each people has its own way to understand and see the things. But Jesus did show the real meaning of all the commandments is: Love is all over the Law itself, because the Law was done to learn to a people almost wild(because slavery). By the other hand, I have always known that “sabbat” means “rest” not “saturday”, in this way, also could be translated as”sunday”(rest for western world) . Remember: in those days, not everybody knew how to read, that was the root and reason for oral Law. Best for you.

  84. Neusa Miranda

    Never read clearer explanations of the laws and the Jews, Gentiles and Chrisrians. Wonderful explanation. Congratulation!
    Miranda Neusa

  85. Bill Gaffney

    Very good article. It does a very good job explaining who the covenant of Sinai was for.

    Eric, There are many faces in the Messianic ranks. I would guess the vast majority do not believe Gentiles should “keep the law.”

    Paul did not remove the weight of the oral law. In fact as Saul that is what he did. Jesus’ teachings were very much pharisaical and would have included the oral law. So you are saying Paul taught the opposite.

    Jews understand the Sinai covenant was for them. They are rightfully angered when a group of Gentile Christians try to steal it and say they too are obligated.

    Be well,


    1. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


      Shalom Bill!

      If you read again, I have not said ever Paul removed the oral law but the Power of the Oral law that’s different! I haven’t used ever the speech “SHOULD”, because all who WANT to live into the Torah, can do it!
      Jews have no reason to be angry with this point, but happy! (Goyim finally can understand so they are not a bad race! 🙂 )

  86. D McDonald

    In light of the Bible, particularly the book of Hebrews, which indicates God’s desire to “write His law in our hearts,” and as one who enjoys and sees the Ten Commandments as an expression of love to God and man, I definitely agree with the concept of the Ten Commandments applying to all mankind. Most laws of Moses point forward to Christ and have been fulfilled – therefore most do not apply today [Matthew 5:17; compare the annual yearly holy days/Sabbaths, animal sacrifices, meat and drink offerings, circumcision and other rituals of the Torah, especially Leviticus 23, with Colossians 2:11-17, Galatians and Hebrews 8-10].

    However, all of God’s laws contain wonderful concepts that can be a blessing to humanity. The blessing is in embracing God’s laws as written in the Bible, untainted by man-made tradition. The Ten Commandment law shows us how to love God and our fellow men, our neighbor; it identifies what sin is — “Sin is the transgression of the law.” [1 John 3:4] and that “I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet… Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” [Romans 7:7, 12].

    I also believe that the weekly Sabbath is included, as special time to rest and spend with God, a privilege and blessing for Jews and Gentiles [Isaiah 56:1-7 and 66:19, 22-23] as well as the other 10 Commandments. The weekly Sabbath was blessed at Creation for humanity [Genesis 2:1-3] long before the existence of even Abraham. And in the New Testament we have this passage in Hebrews 4:9, “There remaineth therefore a rest [from the Greek word, ‘sabbatismos’] to the people of God.”

    The New Testament has numerous passages indicating that the people of God will show love by keeping his commandments, such as “If you love me, keep my commandments,” [John 14:15] and “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected.” 1 John 2:3-5. “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” 1 John 5:2, 3. If I love my neighbor, I will not commit adultery or kill him [James 2:8-12]! “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and enter into the gates, into the city.” Revelation 22:14. God’s saints are described as those who keep God’s commandments. “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” Revelation 14:12.

    Love is the basis of the Ten Commandments. God is love, and the children of God will desire to reflect that love, and joyfully embrace guidelines on how to love God and neighbor.

    “For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” Galatians 3:26-29.

    Some laws are part of the Old Covenant and have been fulfilled by Christ [again, compare Leviticus 23; Matthew 5:17; Colossians 2; and Hebrews 4-10, especially 8:1-7, 10, 13; 10:1-18; etc.]; some laws are part of the New Covenant that God wants to write on our hearts [Hebrews 8:10 and 10:16]. These simple, beautiful laws show us how to love God and our neighbor and are a perpetual covenant and blessing to all.

    1. Daniel

      Dear D Mcdonald.

      Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19 (emphasis supplied).

      For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10

      And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. Deuteronomy 30:6.

      We are unable to keep the whole of the law, (Romans 2:1;3:9-10), which is what is required by the law (Deut. 27:26; James 2:10), so Christ kept the law and by his spirit which is joined to ours by faith in his gospel, which is the gracious gift of God, (and not of our works), we are imputed his righteousness. See 1 Corinthians 6:17; Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:11, 22-24. He also does the sanctifying and the glorifying. John 17:17; Romans 8:29-30. In sum, he is the LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS. Jeremiah 23:6.

      If I could explain it another way, I would say the following: we are told by our Lord that “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” john 4:24.. But this, our Lord also informs us, is his work, and not ours. See John 6:28-29. Only when one is born again of God, and not of the will of man,, (John 1:13), can he or she can say: “For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.” Phiippians 3:3. We cannot circumcise our own hearts, nor give ourselves ears to hear, nor eyes to see, nor a heart to understand, and neither can anyone keep the whole of the law and not offend in any one point: Only Christ could keep the law perfectly and so God sent him to do so on our behalf. Christ alone will be called THE GREATEST in heaven while every other saint will be called the least. See Matthew 5:19.

      Witness the crowns being cast at the foot of his throne in worship. See Revelation 4:10-11. Shalom.

      1. Shara Hernandez

        Daniel, very well said.
        It’s clear to me that the law of Moses was necessary in order to keep the bloodline pure for the coming of the Messiah. Although no one but the Messiah could keep the law perfectly, striving for “righteousness” was so important to the Jews and such a big part of their walk with the Lord and determined their salvation before the coming of the Lord. Even though salvation is not obtained by keeping the Law or by striving to keep the Law in this administration, when we live our lives loving God with all our heart , soul and strength, and love others as ourselves, we can fulfill what the Lord requires for the garlands and awards that we can obtain to lay at the feet of our Lord. (I would love, by the way, to hear Dr. Eli teach on the five crowns available to each believer and shed some wonderful Jewish light on the subject). In this administration, salvation comes by grace, not works, lest any man should boast. There is a great deal of the scriptures the non-Jewish background church of today miss because of our failure to study or be taught the the Law of Moses and the appointed times , the feasts and Sabbaths. The scriptures say the old covenant is for our learning and there is a great deal to be learned. For instance, Colossians 2:16 “Let no man disturb you about food or about drink or in the distinctions of feasts and beginnings of months and Sabbaths, (17) Because these things are shadows of those things that were future, but The Messiah is the body.” makes it very clear that the old covenant is but a foreshadow of the new. This translation happens to be a translation from the “Aramaic Bible in Plain English”.

  87. Shara Hernandez

    We know, as students of the God’s word, that is it absolutely essential that the reader determine “to whom” a particular Scripture is addressed. Not every verse in the Bible is to be applied to every person in every age. For example, we do not sacrifice animals today because the verses commanding that are not addressed to us. As Christians, we must be careful to note those Scriptures that are addressed to us in this age and distinguish them from those not addressed to us. Even though we can learn from the entire Bible, we are not necessarily to obey every
    command in it as some of it it obviously no longer addressed to us. Clearly, in this Grace administration things have changed and according to Galatians 3:28 in the Church there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile) , but the Church of God (a new man). When Christ, Jesus returns for the Church, the administration of Grace will end, as Christ will have returned for the saints under this administration. Administrations (sometimes called “Dispensations”) must be divided accurately, and basic changes in God’s dealings with man discerned. These changes affect God’s commandments and what is and is not sin, dietary restrictions, the regulations of civil government, the mode of worship, financial giving, Church leadership, etc. Because of differing expectations, commandments, etc. ,interpretation and application of Scripture must be determined in light of to whom each section of Scripture is addressed, whether it be Jews, Gentiles, or the Church of God (1 Cor. 10:32).. To whom a particular book is addressed must be noted; sometimes this can change even in the middle of a particular passage (e.g., Rom. 11:13). Excerpts taken from How to Eliminate Apparent Bible Contradictions by tltf.org and Scripture quotations marked (YLT) are taken from Young’s Literal Translation, by Robert Young, 1898.
    I think it’s important to note that Torah observant Jews refer to the “called out” as “ekklesia” Galatians 4:4 and Romans 15:8 . In order to effectually minister to a new believer, however, we are called to give no offence or refrain from saying and doing things that may still be considered offensive to anyone as described in 1 Corin. 8:18 and again in 1 Corin 10:32. According to Galatians 3:28 , in the Church there is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile). We are now called to form one new man with Christ as the head. In Ephes 2:14-16 Paul wrote that God’s purpose in sending His son to die for us was to create one new man. We are indeed new creatures altogether in Christ with one gospel and one truth. Christ came to fulfill the Law as the law was but a foreshadow of what was to come. Because of the liberty we have in Christ, we are not required to keep the feast days and such, but it behooves us to know the appointed times, feast days and all the significance of the scriptures that foreshadow the greatness of Christ. God established His feasts for Israel as reminders of His plan throughout the year and the prophetic foreshadowing of these appointed times should be regularly studied as we have the liberty to celebrate them as we chose. Certainly, most non Jewish believers know that the Passover meal with its various aspects point to the
    coming of the Messiah, but it should be a responsibility of the Jewish believers today to help teach the gentile believers the great truths of the significance of these appointed times, not to “put them again under the law” so to speak, but help them fully understand the scriptures. All but two of the appointed times have come to pass and that fact that these feasts are not at very least studied by the believers as a whole today is a great disservice to our Lord and causes a great deal of misunderstanding of the scriptures. I believe the evil organised political landscape around the 300 AD period caused the “religious leaders” of that time to separate the church from it’s roots. There has been a great deal of ignorance in the teaching of the scriptures since that time.

  88. Snjezana Virag

    I’m glad to have opportunity to state my view on this very important topic. In revelation we have the testimony of the New Jerusalem, which comes from heaven. The New City has 12 gates by names the tribe of Israel. So Israel as the chosen nation will completely fulfill God’s will of salvation because we see that no one is missing. God never, never changes. So that his promises and convenant given to Israel will remain forever.
    More over apostle Paul says that it is through the salvation of the Gentiles provoke the jealousy of his first and always chosen people and thus attract to Himself. ( by prophet Hosea)
    But who is Israel?
    Ruth was moabite but she said to her mother in law, „your God is my God and your people are my people“ and become the grandmother of King David.
    Whoever is in the Old Testament was a slave or a servant in a Jewish family and he wanted to obey the faith of their masters were allowed.
    So alreday, and than the Kingdom was made up of Jews and non Jews who have come together to celebrate one God and practiced the Torah.
    When apostle Paul speaks of circumcision according to the flash he is not reversed but it adds the circumcision by faith what becomes the way in wich the Gentiles share the inheritance with Israel. But Gentiles entered the heritage of Israel only because of disobedience one part of Israel who didn’t respond to God’s call.
    The Gentiles should be grateful fot that disobedience because it became their opportunity and not to strive to raise above to gentle branches that naturally receive all of God’s promises.
    The Torah is God’s means of education for the sons. It is no wonder the desire of the Gentiles to devote Torah because in Yeshua thay received adoption.
    The Law will not save the man but saved man wants to live according the God’s Law in order to enjoy God’s favor. If the Jews are jelaous of it that’s a good sign because it is God’s intention.
    I think this way. The olive tree can not bring pears, so if the root is olive than the whole tree is olive. The same is, according to God’s plan, Israel, whole and complete only when Jews and Gentiles come together, united in Jeshua, to represente God’s kingdom on earth. So God is one, Jeshua is one and Law is one for God’s people whether they are Jews or Gentiles.
    Shalom and Shavua Tov !
    Snjezana Virag

    1. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


      Wonderful!! that’s correct! 🙂

    2. Ian

      You mention the 12 gates having the names of the 12 tribes written on them. Do you realize the 12 pearls that are the gates represent the Church, which is Gentile! This understanding comes from a Hebraic understanding of the two parables in Mtt 13 on the treasure and the pearl. Hence the New Jerusalem is made up of ALL people who are in covenant relationship with Yehovah through Messiah.

  89. Carol Brown

    Dr. Eli: I agree with your eloquent description in this article. I, as a Gentile saved by Yeshua Messiah and filled with the Spirit of YHWH, I am continually drawn to learn more about the meaning of the original Scriptures and how they need to impact my life today. It brings me closer to G-d ultimately. Now you have peaked my interest in the Didache. I shall do some research. Thank you so much for the great discussions! Sincerely, Carol Brown

  90. Michael Strauss

    This is the most brilliant article I’ve read in years. To comment in a scholarly vein would take a whole book. Suffice to say that I’m racially a half Jew by birth, raised Christian, studied Philosophy at Emory, and a lifetime Bible student.

    As I dissected church doctrine and concluded that spiritual truth is in the Gospels and only peripherally in Paul’s letters, I rejected fundamentalist doctrines and became interested in Judaism as the basis for Jesus’ teachings.

    Rabbi Leman has started with Judaism as his faith and then embraced Jesus. I wholeheartedly agree with much that he says. Unique that we attended the same University and live in the same town and have never met.

    Kudos to Dr. Eli for posing this wonderful article, which contains much truth as I see it.

  91. Renee

    I believe that Luke 10:27 is clear: for everlasting life, one needs to love Jehovah with his whole heart and soul, and love ones neighbor. A willingness to obey shows a desire to please. If you love with your whole heart and soul, you will try to obey what is commanded. Jehovah showed love when he made mankind. All that He asked of us was to obey. If I loved my neighbor (mankind) as I loved myself, I could not steal or take from him anything that was not mine, nor murder, etc. Everthing else was for health, mental, physical and spiritual benefits. Following the commandants does not make everyone privileged, but I think that loving (and pleasing), listening,, and building a relationship with Jehovah does. Gentile or Jewish, we (Mankind) all benefit!

    1. Daniel

      Dear Renee,

      “And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, HEAR, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: AND thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.”!
      Mark 12:28-30 (emphasis supplied); see also Deuteronomy 6:4-5.

      Did you notice the first commandment? It’s HEAR! See Romans 10:17 (“So then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.”); Habbakuk 2:4 (“Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.”).

      You cannot of your own will love God will all your soul, mind and strength. Only God can give you ears to hear, eyes to see, and a heart to understand. See Deuteronomy 29:4. It is God who will circumcise your heart so that you will love him and live. Deuteronomy 30:6. You must be born again. See John 3:3; Philippians 3:3. And this is God’s work. John 1;12-13; 3:27, 6:28-29, 63. Come broken to Christ because you cannot love him and he will love you. See Psalm 34:18; 51:17; Matthew 5:3-5; 21:44. Shalom.

      1. Cathy Arvin

        Did you know that the word “Shamah” is not only hear? It is hear and do. It is a action word, not an abstract word. It is also translated as obey in many places in the Torah.
        Exodus 19: 5 Now then if you will indeed OBEY My voice, and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is mine.

    2. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


      That’s correct !! That’s the idea! 😉

  92. Kat

    This is often a sore subject for non-Jews / non-Christians, I am glad you brought it up. You said, “such a person might feel as if they are being denied membership in an exclusive club.” The club mentality seems to thrive in many groups that are religious in nature. I have wondered if it is because we often see our circumstances (born into…) as ownership, rather than see them as God’s sovereignty? Adults argue over whether the multitude is or should be mixed, children don’t. I did not decide to have a Torah experience; that was how God reached me. Christianity seems to think I was stepping onto their turf. I was stepping onto God’s turf because He called me.
    John 3:8, The wind blows wherever it pleases.

    1. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


      And the ruach (wind) is turning people to the Torah!

  93. Ian

    It is good to open this very important subject up for open discussion.

    Yeshua is the Living Word, the Living Torah/Instruction – the prime example for living our lives. I believe that when He reigns in the Millennial Kingdom with a sceptre of iron it will be with Torah.

    So if we love the Lord we show our love for Him by our obedience to His Word whose foundation is the Torah, the Books of Moses. The specific instructions contained therein are different for different people eg priest, men, women. All believers are to follow the moral commandments as contained in the 10 Words which are the weightier commandments over the ritual commandments as described by Ashir Intrater in his book ‘You had Lunch with Abraham’.

    The most controversial commandment is the 4th commandment in the 10 Words which I believe is a universal commandment not only for the Israelite as it refers to creation as well as to the redemption from Egypt which represents SIN.

    Will Yeshua return for the Sunday people and/or the Saturday people?

    1. Apo.Jason

      I believe that Yeshua/ Yahshua is the answer, and his life is the living example that please Hashem all the time ,I believe that Paul was more learnt than all of you guys that say you are rabbi’s and give people the idea that the truth of Hashem can only pass by with a Jewish nod of approval, and this is what we need to remove from the Creator, wisdom is given freely to all that would ask, and much of you that speak concerning these things rely on information that all can attain with study, but revelation is what we need, I honestly believe that YEHOSHUA will have a hard time convincing even you that call yourself Messianic, that the Shabbat was made for man and not man for the Shabbat, and yes it speaks to an order of importance, something made for someone is not more important than the person it is made for, this article by Rabbi Leman is a word from HASHEM. yes Torah is important,but I also agree it is between Yisrael and Hashem, Yahshua left us with two commandments that is the foundation of all the intent of Hashem and this is what must be fulfilled. Shalom

    2. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


      I’m agree with you, but I go further: All the torah is available to all! Don’t forget Dt 4:6-8 !

    3. Daniel

      Shalom Ian,

      How do you understand Yeshua’s teaching here?:

      “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayeda thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

      Luke 18:10-14.

      Wasn’t the Pharisee being obedient to the TORAH, and wasn’t the tax collector a disobedient sinner who simply humbled himself before God in the hope of receiving His mercy? Isn’t hoping against hope in God’s promises of mercy and favor the true mark of faith? See e.g., Romans 4:18-25.

      As to the Sabbath, I believe you’re right. It is now a universal commandment. But it is not kept by obeying the letter of the law, (by resting on a certain day), but rather by obeying the gospel through faith in Yeshua by the spirit. For isn’t Yeshua the (eternal) Sabbath sign that it is God who sanctifies his people (see Exodus 31:17,13), and is it not only through Yeshua alone that God’s people can obtain the promised rest from their labors at the end of the age, and so rejoice in the Lord of all creation forever? See Matthew 11:28-29; Hebrews 4:1-13; 1 Chronicles 22:9-10. Shalom.

      1. IAN

        Dear Danel Yeshua judges the heart of man not the outer actions. God loves a humble and contrite heart. Yeshua is no coming back for the relious people who do all the right things to earn their way into the Kingdom, but those who acknowledge their sin as shown by TORAH and come with repentant hearts to Him through YESHUA. Does this help with understanding Luke 18.

        What ever day you consider to be the SEVENTH DAY is the Day of REST/SHABBAT. Not the first ,second etc but the 7th if you are going to be obedience to God’s WORD. OTHERWISE you are doing your own thing not God’s way and you follow in the foot steps of Constantine!

  94. Mirell Frenellin


    I think this rabbi mist the doth, the bible teach us that we were far from the citizenship of God and has been brought closed through Yehsua haMashiach, its sound like discrimination, Hashem is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, so, we are grafted in the olive tree, and why not observe those festivals as Shabbat??? and the rest if they are all related to Yehsua??? so if people celebrate christmas and all the other not biblical feast, which were not constituted by God, why NOT those which belongs to God, I think it is not even necessary to bring this as topic, because it sound as a big misinterpretation, Yehsua was a jew, die as a jew, and will come back as the Lion of Yudah, certain all these festivals will not bring salvation, only through the blood of Yehsua can we come before the Father, and it is only if we repent of our sins and confess Yehsua as the Son of the living God,

    Thank you,

    1. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


      I’m agree with you! 🙂

  95. Daniel

    “And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.” Galatians 3:12. See also Leviticus 18:5.

    “”Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.” Romans 10:1-5.

    “If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.” James 2:8-13. See also Romans 4:15; 7:15.

    Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. Galatians 5:1-6.

    “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.
    But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, …” .1 Timothy 1:8-11. See also Romans 4:15; 7:10.

    These were some of the verses that came to my mind when I read this article. For “… this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.” 1 John 3:23. Shalom.

    1. Cathy Arvin

      Using Paul to make your points in this way makes him Schizophrenic. You need to take it in context with all that he says in Romans. Otherwise non of it makes sense and you can’t just cherry pick the verses you like to make your doctrine fit. Remember your author, he was:
      Php 3:4 although I myself might have confidence even in the flesh. If anyone else has a mind to put confidence in the flesh, I far more: Php 3:5 circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the Law, a Pharisee; Php 3:6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless. Php 3:7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.
      He had the Torah Memorized. His definitions of how to live life are there. The point he is making there we won’t get into at this point, other than to say he was telling people no one has a right to boast….. but you can look at Romans 2 for his explanation of that. So to Romans then shall we.
      Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?
      Rom 6:2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it?
      What is sin? The most blatant description is found in 1Jn 3:4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
      Lawlessness = Torahlessness.
      Mat 7:22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’
      Mat 7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
      It amazes me how people come up with this teaching that we are not to obey G-d anymore because He saved us from having to obey Him or listen to Him. That is so crazy it makes no sense. I can pull up a lot more verses on this including those where we are judged according to our deeds. (Our Works) depending on what translation you go into. (ergon in the greek). So even those saved by Grace through Yeshua their deeds, “works” will be judged.
      To be righteous is to live by G-d’s law….not by us picking and choosing which ones we will follow and which ones we don’t have to. Who are we to change G-d’s law.
      There are those we cannot follow – being in exile, no temple, no priesthood, etc. but all those we are physically able to do we do. Not to be saved…….BECAUSE WE ARE SAVED. Because Yeshua said “IF YOU LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS!” Walk in Truth – G-d’s Torah (Word) is Truth. Yeshua was the living representative of that and gave us the deeper meaning of things to it. Which would actually make it more difficult, not easier. He was showing what our Heart Attitude would be because he knew we would be like children trying to get away with as much as we could. Yeshua said Mat 11:28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
      Mat 11:29 “Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
      Mat 11:30 “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
      It is a Joy and a Delight to follow G-d’s Law, it is not a burden it is a privilege and delight. May I never profane His name by calling myself a child of the most high and then live like a pagen (gentile).

      1. Daniel

        Shalom Cathy,

        You said: “To be righteous is to live by G-d’s law.”

        But God’s Apostle said:

        “Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, ARE YOU NOW BEING PERFECTED BY THE FLESH? … Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law or by hearing with faith — just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?

        Galatians 3:2-3, 5-6 (emphasis supplied).

        You said: “May I never profane His name by calling myself a child of the most high and then live like a pagen (gentile).”

        But God’s only begotten Son said:

        “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

        Luke 18:10-14.

        Please prayerfully read and meditate the entire Epistle of Paul to the Galatians. Shalom.

        1. Cathy Arvin

          I am sorry if you miss understood me. The only righteousness I have is given me by G-d. Rom 1:17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH.” (Hebrew – emunah – 1. firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness.
          I was not telling you to toot your own horn – we live by G-d’s instructions “TORAH” because He asks us to, to make a distinction between us and the rest of the world. Because He wants us to be “Holy” as He is Holy. He asks this of us. Did you ever notice that Paul uses all the same words as are written in Torah about Israel. Kingdom of Priests and a Holy nation. How can a Holy nation walk in sin? You do not understand Paul or what He is teaching.
          I do not keep G-d’s instructions to flaunt it as if I am better than anyone else, for I am least of all. But as Paul says, Romans 6:1 Shall we continue to Sin so grace will abound? MAY IT NEVER BE!
          SIN IS TRANSGRESSION OF G-D’S TORAH (LAW)”INSTRUCTIONS” I am not going to now that I have been saved by Grace, and brought back into the Family of G-d. Profane His name by ignoring is instructions. Yeshua said “Matthew 5:17- 20” you need to read that one.
          You really don’t understand what is being said. Please prayerfully read it. Forget the doctrine you were taught, pray and ask G-d to have His Ruach – Lead you into the Truth!
          We don’t live by G-d’s standard to be saved – we already are. We live by it because we are saved.
          To live a life of SIN after being freed from it, enslaves us to it once again, and profanes His Name among the Pagans of whom we walk. Sin is breaking G-d’s law, why would we do that?
          As G-d is One, So is His Word. You can’t cut it up and dissect it and say I will follow this but I don’t need to follow that it is old fashion. Who are we to choose which of G-d’s instructions (Torah) we need to follow and which don’t apply today. Other than the obvious of course. Men do men’s commandments women do women’s. Their is presently no Temple, no alter, no priesthood so we cannot of course keep those that apply to that. But when it is time for times like that and we cannot keep them, we can remember and thank G-d for His grace.
          I am getting to long here. You are miss interpreting Paul. May the L-rd open your eyes to see the truth of it. If you truly love Him and seek after Him. No man can just that but He can and does, to all of us. In Messiah, Yeshua. Shalom
          Faith – ‘ĕmûnâh
          Faith – ‘ĕmûnâh

          1. Daniel

            Shalom Cathy,

            Have you ever asked yourself why there is no temple, or altar or Levitical priesthood? Doesn’t God work all things according to the counsel of his own will? See Ephesians 1:11. And when I say “all” it includes, but is clearly not limited to, the fall of sparrows, (Matthew 10:29), the rolling of dice (Proverbs 16:33); the slaughter of his people (Psalm 44:11), the exile of his people (1 Chronicles 5:26), the decisions of kings (Proverbs 21:1; Jeremiah 51:11), the decisions of entire people groups (2 Chronicles 21:16), the building of the House of the LORD (Haggai 1:14), the steps of man, (Proverbs 16:9; 20:24), the words of man (2 Samuel 16:10-11; Ezekiel 33:22), the failing of sight (Exodus 4:11), the sickness of children (2 Samuel 12:15), the loss and gain of money (1 Samuel 2:7), the suffering of saints (1 Peter 4:19), the completion of travel plans (James 4:15), the persecution of Christians (Hebrews 12:4-7), the repentance of souls (2 Timothy 2:25), the gift of faith (Philippians 1:29; Ephesians 2:8-9), the pursuit of holiness (Philippians 2:12-13), the growth of believers (Hebrews 6:3), the entire salvific process (Ezekiel 36:22-32; John 17:17; Romans 8:28-30; 1 Thessalonians 5:23); the giving of life and the taking in death (Deuteronomy 32:39; 1 Samuel 2:6), the fulfillment of oaths (Lamentations 3:37), and, of course, the crucifixion of his only begotten Son. (Acts 4:27-28).

            Now, knowing all this Cathy, can you not see that only one thing is needful? See Luke 10:38-42; John 6:63; 15:3; 17:3, 17; Romans 10:17; Ephesians 5:26; Psalm 1:1-3; Hosea 6:6. Please prayerfully read and meditate on the above verses and consider these as well: Matthew 23:37; Isaiah 30:1, 15: 31:3. I am not teaching lawlessness or sinful living. (Paul was also accused of teaching these things). I just trust in the Lord my Savior and believe all his promises. See Psalm 1:1-3, 118:8; 125:1; Jeremiah 17:5-8; Proverbs 3:5-6. He directs my steps. Proverbs 16:9; 20:24. Shalom.

          2. Daniel

            Sorry Cathy,

            I asked you to read some verses but I didn’t even type them in properly. Here they are: “For thus said the Lord God, the Holy One of Israel, “In returningc and rest you shall be saved;in quietness and in trust shall be your strength.”But you were unwilling,” Isaiah 30:15. That should remind you of Matthew 23:37.

            Here’s the other verses: “Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help and rely on horses, who trust in chariots because they are many and in horsemen because they are very strong, but do not look to the Holy One of Israel or consult the Lord!” … The Egyptians are man, and not God, and their horses are flesh, and not spirit. When the Lord stretches out his hand, the helper will stumble, and he who is helped will fall, and they will all perish together.” Isaiah 31:1,3.

            We too are just creatures made of flesh. Do you see what He is saying? I’d really like to know your opinion about the parable of the sheep and the goats. See Matthew 25:31-46. What do you think that parable means? Shalom.

      2. IAN

        Well put Cathy. You are speaking the TRUTH. The ONE NEW MAN Paul refers to will be those who love the Lord and show their love by following the TORAH with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT so it will be written on our hearts (Jeremiah 31).

  96. Petro

    What a refreshing article! Thank you for the insight.

  97. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza



    I’m not agree with Rabbi. I’m a Messianic teacher and he, being a Messianic Rabbi, doesn’t express the common Messianic thinking.

    Paul didn’t adopt any distance about the contents of the Torah. He only removed from commandments the power/weight of the PHARISAIC Oral Law. Anyone can circumcise in flesh further hearth’s if so wants, -Paul says-, but must have clear that doesn’t make him better or holiest and ISN’T a pre-requirement for salvation.

    The problem with circumcision in Paul’s time was the following statement: If you don’t circumcise, you CAN’T be saved (by God) See Acts 15:1 ; That was a heresy! Yehoshua’ already came, and besides this, at the beginning this wasn’t the order (e.g. Avraham). salvation was ever by God’s grace!

    The same about Kasher diet and Biblical Holydays: They are available for whom all wants, without saying: this is not for you, ’cause you’re not a jew! Let me remind here that were 12 tribes which received the Torah, not only Yehudah/Binyamin (the Jewish/benjaminite people). So, if the ten tribes went, and became unrecognizable in human eyes in the past (not so in God’s eyes), and nowadays people of all nation is returning to the Torah, let them return! They are part of those lost ten tribes!

    Me, as a Messianic teacher, teach people to live into the commandments, for it’s God’s will, and his will is Good, nice and perfect, it’s the way to experience Dt 4:6-8

    1. Dr. Eli Lizorkin-Eyzenberg

      While I can certainly be sympathetic towards “they want to keep, let them” idea expressed by you, Eric. I am not sure how you can jump from that to the idea to another idea is that the Christians that desire such obedience to Torah are indeed 10 lost tribes? In other words I am failing to see why a person with no Israelite background at all (known or unknown) cannot desire (rightly or wrongly) such obedience as per your suggestion (it seems that you are saying that if they desire it they must of the lost 10 tribes). Perhaps, you can help me to understand your logic here.

      1. Eric de Jesús Rodríguez Mendoza


        Shalom Dr. Eli
        Keywords: Insertion, accounting.

        Ok, I will clarify my position:

        Firstly, it’s writen (Acts 17:26-27).
        Secondly: it’s writen (Phil 3:20).
        Thirdly, It’s writen: (Acts 26:7 / Apoc 21:12).

        On other hand, I haven’t referred ever only to “Christians desiring obey the Torah”, I said: “and nowadays people of all nation is returning to the Torah, let them return!”. This is not searching a link (rights) with the Modern and terrenal Medinat Yisra’el (State of Israel) or any human/Jewish/rabinical recognition, nor blood lineage, NO! That isn’t important to God, because he doesn’t do partiality; as Paul said: The word of God is not a prisioner!

        What I’m saying is the lost ten tribes, are not lost for God (althaugh are lost for many Jewish Rabbis) and they received the Torah too; In this sense there are many people interwoven in the current world besides the ‘erev rav (Ex 12:38). Yehudah (jewish people, wasn’t alone there!). What’s that intention of private people from Torah? What’s that kind of monopoly? I’m a descendant from the jewish family De Sola, Curaçao, south America, and I’m happy when I find a brother loving learning and keeping Torah. There is no fear in love!

        Thus, alike Kaleb, Rut, Rahav, and the rest of people (gone out from all over the world, this is, from sin) loving the God of ‘Avraham, Yitzchaq and Ya’aqov, through and thanks to the revelation of Yehoshua’ Hamashiach, today they all, will be insert/counted among the existing remnant of ten tribes for inheritance of the heavenly Yerushalayim.
        There is a promise for 12 tribes, and it’s clear that God never let them loss.

        So it’s spiritually natural that real believer people today, desire as babies, the Spiritual Milk unaltered, the Torah. The world needs Torah!

      2. Cathy Arvin

        I don’t know where he is coming from on that point. But I can tell you my thoughts on it. At Sinai, Exo 19:8 All the people answered together and said, “All that the LORD has spoken we will do!” And Moses brought back the words of the people to the LORD.
        I have no proof for this, just a feeling in me that says, that all those people who loved G-d and spoke those words, would have decendents throughout the generations who would hold fast to HaShem and to His Torah. To those that is was lost when they were exiled I believe that HasShem is true to His word. Deu 7:9 “Know therefore that the LORD your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments;
        So that even if a generation is lost, He will draw them back, to keep that promise to those who love Him. Thereby, even those who would today be counted among the gentiles. As the northern tribes are. He is still faithful in drawing them back, and not just to a superficial or distant relationship, but to an intimate one. Those who long for the intimacy and closeness (by loving and keeping the Torah) are most likely in my thought decedents of those who stood at mount Sinai and made that proclamation.
        No proof of it, but the exile of the Northern tribes was so long ago, and they lost their identity and mixed with the nations, their is a possibility that almost every human on earth had a descendent at mount Sinai, we will never know.
        We should never discourage those who desire to walk in G-d’s Torah from doing so. Not to be saved, but because they are and because of their love of the Father and Messiah.

        1. Daniel

          Shalom. Cathy,

          My email is fearnotdaniel@gmail.com. I will contact you by email. I would love to continue our coversation. Shalom.

          1. Sarah Ray

            Cathy –

            Thank you for your remarks. I too have had this same sensation, and I believe that if a heart is drawn toward Torah, there is a reason behind it. I trust in Yahweh’s providence in this matter. All I know is that he is FOREVER GOOD! Amen!

            If you and Daniel would be obliged, I’d be enthusiastic to participate in your conversations as well. My email is sarinacarina@mac.com.

            I look forward to connecting with you and I wish you joy overflowing and many many blessings in this life.

            Shalom aleichem!